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	<title>Comments on: Did I get stiffed?</title>
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		<title>By: ode to the womb poet</title>
		<link>http://www.poetryfoundation.org/harriet/2007/04/did-i-get-stiffed/#comment-285</link>
		<dc:creator>ode to the womb poet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2007 03:07:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well, kids these days know a lot more, so i would just tell them straight up- this is the exercise, keep it clean in school, but feel free to write and share whatever you want outside of the class...(sounds like some real &#039;1984&quot; type-stuff, i know, but i guess this is what i&#039;m not a teacher =)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well, kids these days know a lot more, so i would just tell them straight up- this is the exercise, keep it clean in school, but feel free to write and share whatever you want outside of the class&#8230;(sounds like some real &#8216;1984&#8243; type-stuff, i know, but i guess this is what i&#8217;m not a teacher =)</p>
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		<title>By: Braless Teenager</title>
		<link>http://www.poetryfoundation.org/harriet/2007/04/did-i-get-stiffed/#comment-284</link>
		<dc:creator>Braless Teenager</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2007 00:29:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Patricia,
One blog:
saintelizabethstreet.blogspot.com
One entry:
The Latest NYC DOE adventure
a poet with cerbral palsy shares her story as an invited to a high school classroom.
i feel and fear for students.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patricia,<br />
One blog:<br />
saintelizabethstreet.blogspot.com<br />
One entry:<br />
The Latest NYC DOE adventure<br />
a poet with cerbral palsy shares her story as an invited to a high school classroom.<br />
i feel and fear for students.</p>
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		<title>By: Liz Babcock</title>
		<link>http://www.poetryfoundation.org/harriet/2007/04/did-i-get-stiffed/#comment-283</link>
		<dc:creator>Liz Babcock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Apr 2007 18:40:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh God, what is school for?  by all means, go back to pointless boredom.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh God, what is school for?  by all means, go back to pointless boredom.</p>
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		<title>By: J. Bryan Shoup</title>
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		<dc:creator>J. Bryan Shoup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Apr 2007 17:42:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s a &quot;middle-American mug,&quot; beyond vestiges of class warfare in a metaphor?
Anyway, all kidding aside, I think you made a small error here. I don&#039;t think it was intentional, but since you ask for the take of this blog&#039;s readers...
I&#039;m a teacher myself (first job out of college, I teach Greek and Roman history -- with the Iliad and the Aeneid for each -- as well as Logic and Latin) and I can understand where Mr. Regular was coming from.
It may have been &quot;your classroom&quot; for that duration of time, but ultimately he has to deal with the student the rest of the day. If the student was able to overindulge himself and go a bit overboard, that energy and insouciance (or perhaps malice toward his regular teacher) carries on to the chunk of the day that is Mr. Regular&#039;s.
Think of it in terms of discipline. At my school, students are not supposed to lean back in their chairs (it weakens the chair legs and we&#039;ve had a few kids hurt themselves by disobeying, what with gravity and all). It&#039;s a hard habit for kids to break, and if half of us enforce it, and the other half doesn&#039;t, then the enforcing half has to deal with students full of bad habits.
Or if the teacher before my period gives them heavy loads of sugar, they&#039;ll end up crashing or being hyper in my period. I mean, I give sugar as well, just at the beginning of class on an active day so the energy is processed.
Hopefully you see my point. The hour I have with each class is my time, but it profoundly impacts everyone else. That&#039;s the nature of teaching at middle school or high school. I let coaches and other teachers from time to time stick their head into my class and make announcements. I don&#039;t make a list of what they can or can&#039;t do. But it&#039;s common knowledge that the football coach can&#039;t do their pump up cheers in the brief five minutes alloted to him, because that will impact their conduct once he leaves.
A penis poem sounds clever, but at a public school you&#039;re never quite sure who you&#039;re going to offend, and that teacher may have feared being part of the target if a parent or student complained, because he allowed it to occur.
As for poets seeking attention, not all of us do it in flashy ways, or else there wouldn&#039;t be pennames.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s a &#8220;middle-American mug,&#8221; beyond vestiges of class warfare in a metaphor?<br />
Anyway, all kidding aside, I think you made a small error here. I don&#8217;t think it was intentional, but since you ask for the take of this blog&#8217;s readers&#8230;<br />
I&#8217;m a teacher myself (first job out of college, I teach Greek and Roman history &#8212; with the Iliad and the Aeneid for each &#8212; as well as Logic and Latin) and I can understand where Mr. Regular was coming from.<br />
It may have been &#8220;your classroom&#8221; for that duration of time, but ultimately he has to deal with the student the rest of the day. If the student was able to overindulge himself and go a bit overboard, that energy and insouciance (or perhaps malice toward his regular teacher) carries on to the chunk of the day that is Mr. Regular&#8217;s.<br />
Think of it in terms of discipline. At my school, students are not supposed to lean back in their chairs (it weakens the chair legs and we&#8217;ve had a few kids hurt themselves by disobeying, what with gravity and all). It&#8217;s a hard habit for kids to break, and if half of us enforce it, and the other half doesn&#8217;t, then the enforcing half has to deal with students full of bad habits.<br />
Or if the teacher before my period gives them heavy loads of sugar, they&#8217;ll end up crashing or being hyper in my period. I mean, I give sugar as well, just at the beginning of class on an active day so the energy is processed.<br />
Hopefully you see my point. The hour I have with each class is my time, but it profoundly impacts everyone else. That&#8217;s the nature of teaching at middle school or high school. I let coaches and other teachers from time to time stick their head into my class and make announcements. I don&#8217;t make a list of what they can or can&#8217;t do. But it&#8217;s common knowledge that the football coach can&#8217;t do their pump up cheers in the brief five minutes alloted to him, because that will impact their conduct once he leaves.<br />
A penis poem sounds clever, but at a public school you&#8217;re never quite sure who you&#8217;re going to offend, and that teacher may have feared being part of the target if a parent or student complained, because he allowed it to occur.<br />
As for poets seeking attention, not all of us do it in flashy ways, or else there wouldn&#8217;t be pennames.</p>
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