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		<title>By: W.B. Keckler</title>
		<link>http://www.poetryfoundation.org/harriet/2007/11/poetic-machines-05/#comment-1812</link>
		<dc:creator>W.B. Keckler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 16:13:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow! I did this same thing with Rae Armantrout and A.L.I.C.E. on my blog, Joe Brainard&#039;s Pyjamas, several months before this appeared online. In fact, I have several conversations and collaborations with A.L.I.C.E. in my forthcoming book, _Okay, But I&#039;m Gonna Burn Down the Building_ (Six Gallery Press, 2007).
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow! I did this same thing with Rae Armantrout and A.L.I.C.E. on my blog, Joe Brainard&#8217;s Pyjamas, several months before this appeared online. In fact, I have several conversations and collaborations with A.L.I.C.E. in my forthcoming book, _Okay, But I&#8217;m Gonna Burn Down the Building_ (Six Gallery Press, 2007).<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_1812"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 1812 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: julia t</title>
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		<dc:creator>julia t</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 13:26:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally I think the New Athenian Movement is spot on. I&#039;d like to not be sitting at my computer right now or sending text messages however the digital world has its advantages and I think the New Athenians should consider this although I agree with their opinion that is has caused a fragmented society... but I am glad that I can send an email to my grandmother in New Zealand and she can receive it that day, instead of sending it airmail or having it go on a boat and take weeks!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally I think the New Athenian Movement is spot on. I&#8217;d like to not be sitting at my computer right now or sending text messages however the digital world has its advantages and I think the New Athenians should consider this although I agree with their opinion that is has caused a fragmented society&#8230; but I am glad that I can send an email to my grandmother in New Zealand and she can receive it that day, instead of sending it airmail or having it go on a boat and take weeks!<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_1811"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 1811 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: po-po-mo-male</title>
		<link>http://www.poetryfoundation.org/harriet/2007/11/poetic-machines-05/#comment-1810</link>
		<dc:creator>po-po-mo-male</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:56:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Software is not for you.  After you &quot;launch&quot; it, it does things you&#039;ve asked for.
Ever heard of PERL&quot;?&quot;
Leave the philosophy to the pros.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Software is not for you.  After you &#8220;launch&#8221; it, it does things you&#8217;ve asked for.<br />
Ever heard of PERL&#8221;?&#8221;<br />
Leave the philosophy to the pros.<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_1810"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 1810 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Pablo Honey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pablo Honey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:53:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If anything, I think the example of  A.L.I.C.E. justifies the agenda of The New Athenians. If you&#039;re aim is take poetry down digital avenue, then fine. But wouldn&#039;t this, in some profound ways, preclude our own human ability to create meaningful conversations? How we converse with our machines and vice versa is interesting, sure, but this completely misses the point of The New Athenian project. Humanity is central. By using the example of A.L.I.C.E., you&#039;re only reminding us more of what we&#039;re truly missing. By digitally mimicking the &quot;experience of conversation&quot;, A.L.I.C.E. only reminds us that we don&#039;t need her at all, that we can in fact do what she does all on our own.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If anything, I think the example of  A.L.I.C.E. justifies the agenda of The New Athenians. If you&#8217;re aim is take poetry down digital avenue, then fine. But wouldn&#8217;t this, in some profound ways, preclude our own human ability to create meaningful conversations? How we converse with our machines and vice versa is interesting, sure, but this completely misses the point of The New Athenian project. Humanity is central. By using the example of A.L.I.C.E., you&#8217;re only reminding us more of what we&#8217;re truly missing. By digitally mimicking the &#8220;experience of conversation&#8221;, A.L.I.C.E. only reminds us that we don&#8217;t need her at all, that we can in fact do what she does all on our own.<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_1809"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 1809 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Sina Queyras</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sina Queyras</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:39:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the post and the link, Christian. That was fun. And no less awkward than many of the human/human interactions one experiences. She even made me laugh. I posted our conversation for the record.
SQ
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the post and the link, Christian. That was fun. And no less awkward than many of the human/human interactions one experiences. She even made me laugh. I posted our conversation for the record.<br />
SQ<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_1808"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 1808 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Kenneth Goldsmith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kenneth Goldsmith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:18:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Christian,
Have you ever heard of Kathy McGinty? It&#039;s a bunch of samples that were created to interact with phone sex callers. Callers call the line, ask questions and &quot;Kathy&quot; responds. You can hear an x-rated (NSW!) MP3 here:
&lt;a href=&quot;http://blogfiles.wfmu.org/BT/Kathy_McGinty.mp3&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://blogfiles.wfmu.org/BT/Kathy_McGinty.mp3&lt;/a&gt;
I&#039;d love to hear &quot;Kathy&#039;s&quot; response to Silliman!
Kenny
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christian,<br />
Have you ever heard of Kathy McGinty? It&#8217;s a bunch of samples that were created to interact with phone sex callers. Callers call the line, ask questions and &#8220;Kathy&#8221; responds. You can hear an x-rated (NSW!) MP3 here:<br />
<a href="http://blogfiles.wfmu.org/BT/Kathy_McGinty.mp3" rel="nofollow">http://blogfiles.wfmu.org/BT/Kathy_McGinty.mp3</a><br />
I&#8217;d love to hear &#8220;Kathy&#8217;s&#8221; response to Silliman!<br />
Kenny<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_1807"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 1807 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Cuitlamiztli Carter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cuitlamiztli Carter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:58:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who are the New Athenians again? Do we have a list of some of their members, blogrolls, etc.? Or is this is a movement of just an unknown handful as of now? I&#039;m genuinely curious.
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