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		<title>By: Alicia (AE)</title>
		<link>http://www.poetryfoundation.org/harriet/2007/12/enormous-snowstorms-at-the-last-minute/#comment-2128</link>
		<dc:creator>Alicia (AE)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 07:52:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The anti-muse Typo seems to be plaguing me.  I guess for me these extended similes in epic are indeed lyric interludes, though I know not strictly in the sense you mean.
Yes, let&#039;s have more Longley!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The anti-muse Typo seems to be plaguing me.  I guess for me these extended similes in epic are indeed lyric interludes, though I know not strictly in the sense you mean.<br />
Yes, let&#8217;s have more Longley!</p>
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		<title>By: Mary Meriam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary Meriam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 04:03:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SNOW
In the gloom of whiteness,
In the great silence of snow,
A child was sighing
And bitterly saying, &#039;Oh,
They have killed a white bird up there on her nest,
The down is fluttering from her breast!&#039;
And still it fell through the dusky brightness
On the child crying for the bird of the snow.
- Edward Thomas
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SNOW<br />
In the gloom of whiteness,<br />
In the great silence of snow,<br />
A child was sighing<br />
And bitterly saying, &#8216;Oh,<br />
They have killed a white bird up there on her nest,<br />
The down is fluttering from her breast!&#8217;<br />
And still it fell through the dusky brightness<br />
On the child crying for the bird of the snow.<br />
- Edward Thomas</p>
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		<title>By: Mary Meriam</title>
		<link>http://www.poetryfoundation.org/harriet/2007/12/enormous-snowstorms-at-the-last-minute/#comment-2126</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary Meriam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2007 18:43:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Smile, Death, see I smile as I come to you
Straight from the road and the moor that I leave behind,
Nothing on earth to me was like this wind-blown space,
Nothing was like the road, but at the end there was a vision or a face
And the eyes were not always kind.
Smile, death, as you fasten the blades to my feet for me,
On, on let us skate past the sleeping willows dusted with snow;
Fast, fast down the frozen stream, with the moor and the road and the vision behind,
(Show me your face, why the eyes are kind!)
And we will not speak of life or believe in it or remember it as we go.
- Charlotte Mew
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Smile, Death, see I smile as I come to you<br />
Straight from the road and the moor that I leave behind,<br />
Nothing on earth to me was like this wind-blown space,<br />
Nothing was like the road, but at the end there was a vision or a face<br />
And the eyes were not always kind.<br />
Smile, death, as you fasten the blades to my feet for me,<br />
On, on let us skate past the sleeping willows dusted with snow;<br />
Fast, fast down the frozen stream, with the moor and the road and the vision behind,<br />
(Show me your face, why the eyes are kind!)<br />
And we will not speak of life or believe in it or remember it as we go.<br />
- Charlotte Mew</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://www.poetryfoundation.org/harriet/2007/12/enormous-snowstorms-at-the-last-minute/#comment-2125</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2007 17:26:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unless there&#039;s snow in Gilgamesh, I think Alicia has it! But the question of when something first becomes a suitable topic for lyric (and the related question of when something first seems to be worth appreciating in poetry for its own sake) is different from the question of when it appears in literature. Or when readers first think it belongs in lyric... Alicia, have we already discussed Michael Longley&#039;s Praxilla poem in this space? If not, do you want to bring it up? Should I? I think it&#039;s time for a Praxilla post.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unless there&#8217;s snow in Gilgamesh, I think Alicia has it! But the question of when something first becomes a suitable topic for lyric (and the related question of when something first seems to be worth appreciating in poetry for its own sake) is different from the question of when it appears in literature. Or when readers first think it belongs in lyric&#8230; Alicia, have we already discussed Michael Longley&#8217;s Praxilla poem in this space? If not, do you want to bring it up? Should I? I think it&#8217;s time for a Praxilla post.</p>
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		<title>By: Alicia (AE)</title>
		<link>http://www.poetryfoundation.org/harriet/2007/12/enormous-snowstorms-at-the-last-minute/#comment-2124</link>
		<dc:creator>Alicia (AE)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2007 16:10:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oops...  sorry about the, er, flurry of typos.  Should start:
Like the flakes of snow which fall thick on a winter&#039;s day, when Zeus the counsellor has begun to snow and reveals his weaponry to mankind:  he stills the finds and pours down a fall without ceasing...
etc.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oops&#8230;  sorry about the, er, flurry of typos.  Should start:<br />
Like the flakes of snow which fall thick on a winter&#8217;s day, when Zeus the counsellor has begun to snow and reveals his weaponry to mankind:  he stills the finds and pours down a fall without ceasing&#8230;<br />
etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Alicia (ae)</title>
		<link>http://www.poetryfoundation.org/harriet/2007/12/enormous-snowstorms-at-the-last-minute/#comment-2123</link>
		<dc:creator>Alicia (ae)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2007 08:36:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for these.  I love snow poems.
Surely the snow storm enters Western Literature with the celebrated simile in Iliad XII (280 ff), both sublime and strange in its comparison of a violent volley of stones to a thick snowfall:
here in the Penguin prose Martin Hammond translation:
So these two, shouting their encouragement, spurred on the Achaians&#039; fighting.  Like the flakes of snow which fall thick on a winter&#039;s  day, when Zues the counsellor has begun to snow and reveals his weaponry to making:  he still the winds and pours down a fall without ceasing, until he has covered the peaks of the high mountains and the sharp headlands and the plains where clover grows and the rich fields of men&#039;s farming:  and along the grey sea it piles on inlets and capes, though the waves beating in on it can keep it back:  all else is enfolded from above, when Zeus&#039; shower falls heavy--so thick flew the stones on both sides, on the Trojans, and on the Achaians from Trojan hands, as they hurled them at each other, and the noise of it rose over the whole length of the wall.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for these.  I love snow poems.<br />
Surely the snow storm enters Western Literature with the celebrated simile in Iliad XII (280 ff), both sublime and strange in its comparison of a violent volley of stones to a thick snowfall:<br />
here in the Penguin prose Martin Hammond translation:<br />
So these two, shouting their encouragement, spurred on the Achaians&#8217; fighting.  Like the flakes of snow which fall thick on a winter&#8217;s  day, when Zues the counsellor has begun to snow and reveals his weaponry to making:  he still the winds and pours down a fall without ceasing, until he has covered the peaks of the high mountains and the sharp headlands and the plains where clover grows and the rich fields of men&#8217;s farming:  and along the grey sea it piles on inlets and capes, though the waves beating in on it can keep it back:  all else is enfolded from above, when Zeus&#8217; shower falls heavy&#8211;so thick flew the stones on both sides, on the Trojans, and on the Achaians from Trojan hands, as they hurled them at each other, and the noise of it rose over the whole length of the wall.</p>
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		<title>By: yesandno</title>
		<link>http://www.poetryfoundation.org/harriet/2007/12/enormous-snowstorms-at-the-last-minute/#comment-2122</link>
		<dc:creator>yesandno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 20:19:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post.  I adore this poem by David Berman.
SNOW
Walking through a field with my little brother Seth
I pointed to a place where kids had made angels in the snow. 
For some reason, I told him that a troop of angels 
had been shot and dissolved when they hit the ground.
He asked who had shot them and I said a farmer.
Then we were on the roof of the lake. 
The ice looked like a photograph of water.
Why he asked. Why did he shoot them.
I didn&#039;t know where I was going with this.
They were on his property, I said.
When it&#039;s snowing, the outdoors seem like a room.
Today I traded hellos with my neighbor. 
Our voices hung close in the new acoustics. 
A room with the walls blasted to shreds and falling.
We returned to our shoveling, working side by side in silence.
But why were they on his property, he asked.
from Actual Air, 1999
Open City Books, New York
Copyright 1999 by David Berman.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post.  I adore this poem by David Berman.<br />
SNOW<br />
Walking through a field with my little brother Seth<br />
I pointed to a place where kids had made angels in the snow. <br />
For some reason, I told him that a troop of angels <br />
had been shot and dissolved when they hit the ground.<br />
He asked who had shot them and I said a farmer.<br />
Then we were on the roof of the lake. <br />
The ice looked like a photograph of water.<br />
Why he asked. Why did he shoot them.<br />
I didn&#8217;t know where I was going with this.<br />
They were on his property, I said.<br />
When it&#8217;s snowing, the outdoors seem like a room.<br />
Today I traded hellos with my neighbor. <br />
Our voices hung close in the new acoustics. <br />
A room with the walls blasted to shreds and falling.<br />
We returned to our shoveling, working side by side in silence.<br />
But why were they on his property, he asked.<br />
from Actual Air, 1999<br />
Open City Books, New York<br />
Copyright 1999 by David Berman.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 18:30:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course, Emerson&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.poetryfoundation.org/archive/poem.html?id=175142&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;snow storm!&lt;/a&gt; Which antedates Whitter&#039;s, I think. Emerson&#039;s poem is a good example of a poem that looks good on first reading but looks better once you try to use historical imagination as well: snow-storms are less scary now than they used to be, and Emerson&#039;s appreciation for its majesty (its alienated majesty, if you like), even its &quot;frolic,&quot; would have been really new.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course, Emerson&#8217;s <a href="http://www.poetryfoundation.org/archive/poem.html?id=175142" rel="nofollow">snow storm!</a> Which antedates Whitter&#8217;s, I think. Emerson&#8217;s poem is a good example of a poem that looks good on first reading but looks better once you try to use historical imagination as well: snow-storms are less scary now than they used to be, and Emerson&#8217;s appreciation for its majesty (its alienated majesty, if you like), even its &#8220;frolic,&#8221; would have been really new.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Share</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Share</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 17:50:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben,
I&#039;m so glad you mentioned Lucy Larcom!  Though mostly known as a poet, today it&#039;s her prose writing that seems really outstanding.  Happily, her work is available via Google books:
&lt;a href=&quot;http://books.google.com/books?id=Y2gMAAAAYAAJ&amp;printsec=frontcover&amp;dq=Lucy+Larcom+Landscape+in+American+Poetry#PPA12,M1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Landscape In American Poetry is here&lt;/a&gt;.
(Her &lt;i&gt;A New England Girlhood, Outlined from Memory&lt;/i&gt;, as well as letters and diary are also worth reading.)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben,<br />
I&#8217;m so glad you mentioned Lucy Larcom!  Though mostly known as a poet, today it&#8217;s her prose writing that seems really outstanding.  Happily, her work is available via Google books:<br />
<a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=Y2gMAAAAYAAJ&#038;printsec=frontcover&#038;dq=Lucy+Larcom+Landscape+in+American+Poetry#PPA12,M1" rel="nofollow">Landscape In American Poetry is here</a>.<br />
(Her <i>A New England Girlhood, Outlined from Memory</i>, as well as letters and diary are also worth reading.)</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Friedlander</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Friedlander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 11:19:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All too brief but well worth reading if you&#039;re writing an essay on the subject: the pages on &quot;snow-scenery&quot; in Lucy Larcom&#039;s &lt;i&gt;Landscape in American Poetry&lt;/i&gt; (1879), less a monograph than a series of lovingly introduced quotes arranged by theme.
Keeping to that period, &lt;i&gt;Harper&#039;s&lt;/i&gt; published &quot;A Christmas Garland of American Poems&quot; in 1857 (not new works, but recent and already classic favorites with new illustrations, only a few of them actually Christmas poems), and this includes &quot;Snow—A Winter Sketch&quot; by Ralph Hoyt:
&#039;Tis winter, yet there is no sound
Along the air,
Of winds upon their battle-ground,
But gently there,
The snow is falling—all around
How fair—how fair!
Hoyt was one of the NY literati that Poe wrote about in &lt;i&gt;Godey&#039;s Lady&#039;s Book&lt;/i&gt;, and his poem (it goes on for 21 stanzas) is a precedent I suspect for Whittier&#039;s &quot;Snow-Bound.&quot; It&#039;s no match for &quot;Snow-Bound,&quot; of course.
The whole Garland is well worth looking at, though. I found it through the Library of Congress&#039;s American Memory website, in particular through &lt;a href=&quot;http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/ndlpcoop/moahtml/snchome.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Ninteenth Century in Print: Periodicals&lt;/a&gt;. I saved the images for easy access (and teaching purposes) in my flickr account (collected &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.flickr.com/photos/mongibeddu/sets/1654216/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;).
As for Ammons, I&#039;m very fond of this one from &lt;i&gt;Sumerian Vistas&lt;/i&gt;, which might well be a comment on Emerson&#039;s &quot;The Snow Storm&quot;:
&lt;b&gt;Eidos&lt;/b&gt;
On those late March afternoons
when a flurry nearly rain
eases over and the few big
flakes, old flies, stall,
lift, dive, sweep in a slow
loose-knotted breeze, I watch
the lineations of the dance, air&#039;s
least-holding script, whose
figures carve on my retina
motions the mind mulls over
and subdues to
intelligible reticula, informing shapes.
—————
Fun subject!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All too brief but well worth reading if you&#8217;re writing an essay on the subject: the pages on &#8220;snow-scenery&#8221; in Lucy Larcom&#8217;s <i>Landscape in American Poetry</i> (1879), less a monograph than a series of lovingly introduced quotes arranged by theme.<br />
Keeping to that period, <i>Harper&#8217;s</i> published &#8220;A Christmas Garland of American Poems&#8221; in 1857 (not new works, but recent and already classic favorites with new illustrations, only a few of them actually Christmas poems), and this includes &#8220;Snow—A Winter Sketch&#8221; by Ralph Hoyt:<br />
&#8216;Tis winter, yet there is no sound<br />
Along the air,<br />
Of winds upon their battle-ground,<br />
But gently there,<br />
The snow is falling—all around<br />
How fair—how fair!<br />
Hoyt was one of the NY literati that Poe wrote about in <i>Godey&#8217;s Lady&#8217;s Book</i>, and his poem (it goes on for 21 stanzas) is a precedent I suspect for Whittier&#8217;s &#8220;Snow-Bound.&#8221; It&#8217;s no match for &#8220;Snow-Bound,&#8221; of course.<br />
The whole Garland is well worth looking at, though. I found it through the Library of Congress&#8217;s American Memory website, in particular through <a href="http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/ndlpcoop/moahtml/snchome.html" rel="nofollow">The Ninteenth Century in Print: Periodicals</a>. I saved the images for easy access (and teaching purposes) in my flickr account (collected <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/mongibeddu/sets/1654216/" rel="nofollow">here</a>).<br />
As for Ammons, I&#8217;m very fond of this one from <i>Sumerian Vistas</i>, which might well be a comment on Emerson&#8217;s &#8220;The Snow Storm&#8221;:<br />
<b>Eidos</b><br />
On those late March afternoons<br />
when a flurry nearly rain<br />
eases over and the few big<br />
flakes, old flies, stall,<br />
lift, dive, sweep in a slow<br />
loose-knotted breeze, I watch<br />
the lineations of the dance, air&#8217;s<br />
least-holding script, whose<br />
figures carve on my retina<br />
motions the mind mulls over<br />
and subdues to<br />
intelligible reticula, informing shapes.<br />
—————<br />
Fun subject!</p>
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