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		<title>By: yawn!</title>
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		<dc:creator>yawn!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 05:42:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>since we&#039;re on the subject of meat, where&#039;s the beef?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>since we&#8217;re on the subject of meat, where&#8217;s the beef?<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_2205"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 2205 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Dec 2007 17:44:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I confess I was sorry for my wording -- it was a compromise from a different response...
Maybe objects -- and maybe we are all. We are. Bodies and souls and ideas. But this is not the concern here -- it is easy to be easy with provocative images. It is also easy to alienate those unaccustomed to having a voice -- easy to make jokes and images at the expense of those used to keeping quiet.
Perhaps the better response would be -- how boring! Let&#039;s spice it up. What would the text image say if she could talk? Let&#039;s give her a caption -- let&#039;s give her some eyes -- let&#039;s give her a partner and see how racy font becomes... I would put an ellipse in her finger tips and an exclamation in her eye. In the meantime she reminds me of the shame of being smacked on the ass.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I confess I was sorry for my wording &#8212; it was a compromise from a different response&#8230;<br />
Maybe objects &#8212; and maybe we are all. We are. Bodies and souls and ideas. But this is not the concern here &#8212; it is easy to be easy with provocative images. It is also easy to alienate those unaccustomed to having a voice &#8212; easy to make jokes and images at the expense of those used to keeping quiet.<br />
Perhaps the better response would be &#8212; how boring! Let&#8217;s spice it up. What would the text image say if she could talk? Let&#8217;s give her a caption &#8212; let&#8217;s give her some eyes &#8212; let&#8217;s give her a partner and see how racy font becomes&#8230; I would put an ellipse in her finger tips and an exclamation in her eye. In the meantime she reminds me of the shame of being smacked on the ass.<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_2204"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 2204 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous Coward</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous Coward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Dec 2007 14:59:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jennifer, aren&#039;t all people objects?  If we&#039;re not objects, what are we?  Ideas?  Doubtful.  Souls?  Even more doubtful.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jennifer, aren&#8217;t all people objects?  If we&#8217;re not objects, what are we?  Ideas?  Doubtful.  Souls?  Even more doubtful.<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_2203"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 2203 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Dec 2007 10:58:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If this was an issue about any group other than women, I really think this conversation would be very different. I&#039;m sorry that men are still so cavalier about putting women down -- objectifying and diminishing -- it&#039;s a good reality check, though. Thanks.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If this was an issue about any group other than women, I really think this conversation would be very different. I&#8217;m sorry that men are still so cavalier about putting women down &#8212; objectifying and diminishing &#8212; it&#8217;s a good reality check, though. Thanks.<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_2202"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 2202 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Andy Dancer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Dancer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2007 13:07:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; but we&#039;ve all seen enough naked women
Urm... speak for yourself, dear.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>> but we&#8217;ve all seen enough naked women<br />
Urm&#8230; speak for yourself, dear.<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_2201"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 2201 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 13:36:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to say that I wish I didn&#039;t have to look at each time I look at Harriet for the next few days until it recedes into the archives... it reminds me of the controversy over the Fence cover a year or two ago -- it may seem witty or hot or something -- but we&#039;ve all seen enough naked women. I&#039;m not sold. I&#039;m quite sure there are more innovative conversations transpiring.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to say that I wish I didn&#8217;t have to look at each time I look at Harriet for the next few days until it recedes into the archives&#8230; it reminds me of the controversy over the Fence cover a year or two ago &#8212; it may seem witty or hot or something &#8212; but we&#8217;ve all seen enough naked women. I&#8217;m not sold. I&#8217;m quite sure there are more innovative conversations transpiring.<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_2200"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 2200 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Alicia (AE)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alicia (AE)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 09:11:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love the idea of &quot;pin-ups&quot; of type faces!  This does look very voluptuous (those curvy serifs), text as body and vice versa.
I guess I would call all of this vis-po &quot;calligraphy&quot; rather than poetry, but that is why I think it would be more productive to talk of prose vs. verse rather than poetry, since a broad (Greek) definition of poetry can include all of the arts, all &quot;made things.&quot;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love the idea of &#8220;pin-ups&#8221; of type faces!  This does look very voluptuous (those curvy serifs), text as body and vice versa.<br />
I guess I would call all of this vis-po &#8220;calligraphy&#8221; rather than poetry, but that is why I think it would be more productive to talk of prose vs. verse rather than poetry, since a broad (Greek) definition of poetry can include all of the arts, all &#8220;made things.&#8221;<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_2199"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 2199 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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