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	<title>Comments on: these aren&#8217;t the books you&#8217;re looking for (part two)</title>
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		<title>By: Major</title>
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		<dc:creator>Major</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 14:45:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Steve for the sweeping review of events. I might, perversely, be one of few poets who actually enjoy MLA, slightly better than I do the AWP conference.  Maybe, it is even perverse to entertain  the idea of pleasure with either of those behemoth gatherings.  Much joy, nonetheless, in reading your post.  Lorine IS under-appreciated, right?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Steve for the sweeping review of events. I might, perversely, be one of few poets who actually enjoy MLA, slightly better than I do the AWP conference.  Maybe, it is even perverse to entertain  the idea of pleasure with either of those behemoth gatherings.  Much joy, nonetheless, in reading your post.  Lorine IS under-appreciated, right?<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_2271"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 2271 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Henry Gould</title>
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		<dc:creator>Henry Gould</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 14:08:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Kasey :
As far as I know  (&amp; I&#039;m not an expert), Marvell was a public official, an elected member of Parliament, a writer of verse satires &amp; Horatian odes on Cromwell etc...   His dreamy pastoral poetry was perhaps more of an escape from a very busy social life (or a criticism of same), than a reflection of his daily routine.
As I say, I&#039;m not an expert, but I believe Marvell was begotten, not made, out of a dream Keats was having, while snoozing on the furze or gorse or moss or whatever, after taking a long hike with Wordsworth, Blake &amp; Clare; and furthermore, ye olde Englande itself was a figment of his (Marvell&#039;s) imagination.  Or so I&#039;ve heard.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Kasey :<br />
As far as I know  (&#038; I&#8217;m not an expert), Marvell was a public official, an elected member of Parliament, a writer of verse satires &#038; Horatian odes on Cromwell etc&#8230;   His dreamy pastoral poetry was perhaps more of an escape from a very busy social life (or a criticism of same), than a reflection of his daily routine.<br />
As I say, I&#8217;m not an expert, but I believe Marvell was begotten, not made, out of a dream Keats was having, while snoozing on the furze or gorse or moss or whatever, after taking a long hike with Wordsworth, Blake & Clare; and furthermore, ye olde Englande itself was a figment of his (Marvell&#8217;s) imagination.  Or so I&#8217;ve heard.<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_2270"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 2270 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: K. Silem Mohammad</title>
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		<dc:creator>K. Silem Mohammad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 12:51:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m interested to hear about Marvell&#039;s poetic community.  He&#039;s long been a favorite of mine, but I&#039;ve only ever been able to form a picture of him as Milton&#039;s secretary and/or a solitary eccentric, which I of course know couldn&#039;t possibly be accurate.
I had the pleasure of seeing Heather Dubrow give a talk on lyric at an MLA some years ago, and talked with her for a couple minutes afterward--a terrific scholar and person.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m interested to hear about Marvell&#8217;s poetic community.  He&#8217;s long been a favorite of mine, but I&#8217;ve only ever been able to form a picture of him as Milton&#8217;s secretary and/or a solitary eccentric, which I of course know couldn&#8217;t possibly be accurate.<br />
I had the pleasure of seeing Heather Dubrow give a talk on lyric at an MLA some years ago, and talked with her for a couple minutes afterward&#8211;a terrific scholar and person.<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_2269"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 2269 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Henry Gould</title>
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		<dc:creator>Henry Gould</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2008 23:50:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One American poet influenced by MacNeice is Edwin Honig.  Honig&#039;s 60s long poem Four Springs takes after MacNeice&#039;s 40s long poem Autumn Journal, to some extent.    I remember hearing (years ago) Honig talk at length, enthusiastically, about MacNeice &amp; his poetry (I think he&#039;d met him at some point over in England).
(speaking of Donne : the conclusion of Honig&#039;s mostly-mournful poem echoes Donne&#039;s &quot;Valediction Forbidding Mourning&quot; - &quot;O more than moon, draw not up seas / to drown me in thy sphere...&quot;   When I told him (at some wine &amp; cheese deal in 1971 or so) that I&#039;d heard that in his poem, he said &quot;You&#039;re making my hair stand on end.&quot;  Most of the time, with Honig, I couldn&#039;t tell if he was kidding or not.)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One American poet influenced by MacNeice is Edwin Honig.  Honig&#8217;s 60s long poem Four Springs takes after MacNeice&#8217;s 40s long poem Autumn Journal, to some extent.    I remember hearing (years ago) Honig talk at length, enthusiastically, about MacNeice &#038; his poetry (I think he&#8217;d met him at some point over in England).<br />
(speaking of Donne : the conclusion of Honig&#8217;s mostly-mournful poem echoes Donne&#8217;s &#8220;Valediction Forbidding Mourning&#8221; &#8211; &#8220;O more than moon, draw not up seas / to drown me in thy sphere&#8230;&#8221;   When I told him (at some wine &#038; cheese deal in 1971 or so) that I&#8217;d heard that in his poem, he said &#8220;You&#8217;re making my hair stand on end.&#8221;  Most of the time, with Honig, I couldn&#8217;t tell if he was kidding or not.)<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_2268"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 2268 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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