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		<title>By: Don Share</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Share</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 19:02:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>About god-given irony... former &lt;i&gt;Partisan Review&lt;/i&gt; reader and bard Donald Fagen observed (see &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.granatino.com/sdresource/22sincere.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Donald Fagen&#039;s New Sincerity&lt;/a&gt;) that &quot;As soon as David Letterman hit the airwaves, it was really all over for irony.&quot;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About god-given irony&#8230; former <i>Partisan Review</i> reader and bard Donald Fagen observed (see <a href="http://www.granatino.com/sdresource/22sincere.htm" rel="nofollow">Donald Fagen&#8217;s New Sincerity</a>) that &#8220;As soon as David Letterman hit the airwaves, it was really all over for irony.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Bobby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bobby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 05:32:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I recognize that bashing capitalism is something of a sacred sport in these parts, and far be it from me to interfere, but it seems only just to note a few things about that &lt;em&gt;Harvard Business Review&lt;/em&gt; editorial that Christian quotes Zolf quoting. (A Google-cached version is &lt;a href=&quot;http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:YCdIn_2j3bsJ:www.onpointhbr.org/b02/en/hbr/hbr_letter.jhtml%3Bjsessionid%3DKJHFB30MPCFMKAKRGWDSELQBKE0YIISW%3Fissue_id%3Dt1137+%22a+threat+to+the+vitality+of+the+business+executive%22&amp;hl=en&amp;ct=clnk&amp;cd=3&amp;gl=us&amp;client=safari&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.) To wit:
1/ The editorial introduces an interview with Harold Bloom, who, as the editors note, is hardly normal &lt;em&gt;HBR&lt;/em&gt; fare. It won&#039;t surprise anyone here to learn that Bloom recommends Shakespeare to &quot;busy executives.&quot; And apropos of other discussions here on Harriet, Bloom also writes:
&lt;blockquote&gt;I&#039;m not a businessperson, but I do believe that the humanities—if properly taught—could offer a great deal to businesspeople. By reading, people can become more aware and acquire a broader range of sensibility. But I disagree that the study of literature will make businesspeople more moral. I&#039;ve been intimately acquainted with poets and novelists and literary critics all my life—people who have had the subtlest and most comprehensive consciousness—and they are some of the greatest scoundrels I have ever met. Moreover, I am very unhappy with any attempt to put the humanities, and literature in particular, in the service of social change.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
2/ The editorial quotes several &lt;em&gt;HBR&lt;/em&gt; staff for their literature recommendations, which include William Blake, Dostoyevsky&#039;s &lt;em&gt;Notes from the Underground,&lt;/em&gt; and Wallace Stevens&#039;s &quot;Thirteen Ways of Looking at a Blackbird.&quot; I&#039;m not sure what this does to the idea that businesspeople &quot;must be plainspoken in order to be successful,&quot; but it certainly wouldn&#039;t seem to endorse it.
3/ I think there&#039;s a fair case to be made that the author of the shocking statement Christian quotes (&quot;Because literature concerns itself with the ambiguities of the human condition, it stands as a threat to the vitality of the business executive, who must at all times maintain a bias toward action&quot;), which comes from the mouth of Nick Carr, was uttered with a healthy dose of sarcasm directed at those who would seek &quot;a bias toward action.&quot; This is a man who is, after all, a writer. Moreover, he&#039;s a writer who has an M.A. in Literature from Harvard, who knows enough about poetry to say, &quot;I didn&#039;t think it was possible to write a great poem about rock n roll, but Paul Muldoon proves me wrong with Sillyhow Stride, his elegy for Warren Zevon,&quot; and who &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.roughtype.com/archives/2007/01/honey_i_shrunk.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;can say&lt;/a&gt;, without irony:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Just as things that should be short shouldn&#039;t be made long, things that should be long shouldn&#039;t be made short. Many of man&#039;s greatest works demand and deserve extended, steady attention. They can&#039;t be boiled down. They can&#039;t be snippetized, widgetized, or otherwise turned into bite-sized morsels. You can&#039;t compress culture into a Zip file.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
And finally, he&#039;s a person who could answer the question, &quot;Is the internet good for writers?&quot; by &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.roughtype.com/archives/2007/10/the_word_on_the.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;saying&lt;/a&gt;,
&lt;blockquote&gt;It seems to turn on how you view writing. If you see it as a utilitarian information-delivery vehicle, then the net&#039;s boffo. If you see it as a craft that&#039;s as much an end as a means, then the net&#039;s a curse.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Granted that none of these are dispositive, it still seems to me likely that Carr was having a little fun at the expense of the people he spends most of his days writing about.
Am I the only one who fears that the price of all this lofty anti-capitalist dudgeon will be our god-given irony? I still think the best satire on capitalism ever produced is William Gaddis&#039;s novel &lt;em&gt;J R,&lt;/em&gt; but I am chastened to recall that Gaddis was a true believer in at least the possibilities of capitalism.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recognize that bashing capitalism is something of a sacred sport in these parts, and far be it from me to interfere, but it seems only just to note a few things about that <em>Harvard Business Review</em> editorial that Christian quotes Zolf quoting. (A Google-cached version is <a href="http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:YCdIn_2j3bsJ:www.onpointhbr.org/b02/en/hbr/hbr_letter.jhtml%3Bjsessionid%3DKJHFB30MPCFMKAKRGWDSELQBKE0YIISW%3Fissue_id%3Dt1137+%22a+threat+to+the+vitality+of+the+business+executive%22&#038;hl=en&#038;ct=clnk&#038;cd=3&#038;gl=us&#038;client=safari" rel="nofollow">here</a>.) To wit:<br />
1/ The editorial introduces an interview with Harold Bloom, who, as the editors note, is hardly normal <em>HBR</em> fare. It won&#8217;t surprise anyone here to learn that Bloom recommends Shakespeare to &#8220;busy executives.&#8221; And apropos of other discussions here on Harriet, Bloom also writes:</p>
<blockquote><p>I&#8217;m not a businessperson, but I do believe that the humanities—if properly taught—could offer a great deal to businesspeople. By reading, people can become more aware and acquire a broader range of sensibility. But I disagree that the study of literature will make businesspeople more moral. I&#8217;ve been intimately acquainted with poets and novelists and literary critics all my life—people who have had the subtlest and most comprehensive consciousness—and they are some of the greatest scoundrels I have ever met. Moreover, I am very unhappy with any attempt to put the humanities, and literature in particular, in the service of social change.</p></blockquote>
<p>2/ The editorial quotes several <em>HBR</em> staff for their literature recommendations, which include William Blake, Dostoyevsky&#8217;s <em>Notes from the Underground,</em> and Wallace Stevens&#8217;s &#8220;Thirteen Ways of Looking at a Blackbird.&#8221; I&#8217;m not sure what this does to the idea that businesspeople &#8220;must be plainspoken in order to be successful,&#8221; but it certainly wouldn&#8217;t seem to endorse it.<br />
3/ I think there&#8217;s a fair case to be made that the author of the shocking statement Christian quotes (&#8221;Because literature concerns itself with the ambiguities of the human condition, it stands as a threat to the vitality of the business executive, who must at all times maintain a bias toward action&#8221;), which comes from the mouth of Nick Carr, was uttered with a healthy dose of sarcasm directed at those who would seek &#8220;a bias toward action.&#8221; This is a man who is, after all, a writer. Moreover, he&#8217;s a writer who has an M.A. in Literature from Harvard, who knows enough about poetry to say, &#8220;I didn&#8217;t think it was possible to write a great poem about rock n roll, but Paul Muldoon proves me wrong with Sillyhow Stride, his elegy for Warren Zevon,&#8221; and who <a href="http://www.roughtype.com/archives/2007/01/honey_i_shrunk.php" rel="nofollow">can say</a>, without irony:</p>
<blockquote><p>Just as things that should be short shouldn&#8217;t be made long, things that should be long shouldn&#8217;t be made short. Many of man&#8217;s greatest works demand and deserve extended, steady attention. They can&#8217;t be boiled down. They can&#8217;t be snippetized, widgetized, or otherwise turned into bite-sized morsels. You can&#8217;t compress culture into a Zip file.</p></blockquote>
<p>And finally, he&#8217;s a person who could answer the question, &#8220;Is the internet good for writers?&#8221; by <a href="http://www.roughtype.com/archives/2007/10/the_word_on_the.php" rel="nofollow">saying</a>,</p>
<blockquote><p>It seems to turn on how you view writing. If you see it as a utilitarian information-delivery vehicle, then the net&#8217;s boffo. If you see it as a craft that&#8217;s as much an end as a means, then the net&#8217;s a curse.</p></blockquote>
<p>Granted that none of these are dispositive, it still seems to me likely that Carr was having a little fun at the expense of the people he spends most of his days writing about.<br />
Am I the only one who fears that the price of all this lofty anti-capitalist dudgeon will be our god-given irony? I still think the best satire on capitalism ever produced is William Gaddis&#8217;s novel <em>J R,</em> but I am chastened to recall that Gaddis was a true believer in at least the possibilities of capitalism.</p>
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		<title>By: Christian Bök</title>
		<link>http://www.poetryfoundation.org/harriet/2008/02/late-review-04/#comment-2958</link>
		<dc:creator>Christian Bök</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 04:37:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just following rules 1 to 8, Troy….
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		<title>By: Troy Camplin, Ph.D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Troy Camplin, Ph.D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 23:45:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quite a short critique. What about theory on the net?
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