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		<title>By: Jim K.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim K.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 03:25:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah
shadow of Schwitters
still, still  expanding.
concrete puppy
woolen hard
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah<br />
shadow of Schwitters<br />
still, still  expanding.<br />
concrete puppy<br />
woolen hard<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_3146"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 3146 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Vivek Narayanan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vivek Narayanan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 03:06:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Linh-- it&#039;s great fun to catch up on all the little parcel bombs you&#039;ve been leaving on this site.
I like your examples a lot here, the way each one of them busts out of its little language game, but I don&#039;t know if I agree with the little side swipe against rhymed / symmetrical poems-- which, when good, are all about ruining expectation, breaking rules, keeping the reader on his guard.  As I recently heard George Szirtes say, good rhymes are about strangeness, not familiarity.  It&#039;s a particular challenge to show that even in the gridded world life will spring some nasty surprises, that even if you know when the stoplight&#039;s coming, even if that end is inevitable as death, you still don&#039;t know what exactly is waiting for you there.  I thought it was the quick, straight way, you know, but when I finally got to the Walmart, 300 years had passed, and all traces of human life had vanished.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Linh&#8211; it&#8217;s great fun to catch up on all the little parcel bombs you&#8217;ve been leaving on this site.<br />
I like your examples a lot here, the way each one of them busts out of its little language game, but I don&#8217;t know if I agree with the little side swipe against rhymed / symmetrical poems&#8211; which, when good, are all about ruining expectation, breaking rules, keeping the reader on his guard.  As I recently heard George Szirtes say, good rhymes are about strangeness, not familiarity.  It&#8217;s a particular challenge to show that even in the gridded world life will spring some nasty surprises, that even if you know when the stoplight&#8217;s coming, even if that end is inevitable as death, you still don&#8217;t know what exactly is waiting for you there.  I thought it was the quick, straight way, you know, but when I finally got to the Walmart, 300 years had passed, and all traces of human life had vanished.<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_3145"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 3145 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Don Share</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Share</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 20:16:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A John Donne type, or maybe an Empson type (anybody remember his essay, “Donne the Space Man?”)...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A John Donne type, or maybe an Empson type (anybody remember his essay, “Donne the Space Man?”)&#8230;<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_3144"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 3144 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Simon DeDeo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simon DeDeo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 18:51:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>String theory is not over (I am a non-combatant, but have friends in the game.) But actually the analogy works very well:
Loop Quantum Gravity: in some ways a more &quot;traditional&quot; approach to quantizing gravity. Retains, on the surface at least, many of the features that people considered aesthetically good about general relativity. Appears to be a &quot;natural&quot; development from the earlier part of the century. Some people who do LQG like to discuss these facets quite a bit, to the annoyance of string theorists who claim that just following the rules won&#039;t give you something as great as the past. Complaints of being ignored, oppressed, etc.
String Theory: crazy free-for-all, can do it even if you have no idea how to solve a grad-level problem in classical quantum mechanics. Anything you do is right because nothing, so far, is wrong. Amazing results appear occasionally but people complain it&#039;s just fashion-driven and that the bulk is just repetitive and sterile, or at least deeply out of touch with the needs of the larger community.
As for poems about string theory: sort of like poems about alchemy? I think a John Donne type could do it best.
Yours,
John Dee
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>String theory is not over (I am a non-combatant, but have friends in the game.) But actually the analogy works very well:<br />
Loop Quantum Gravity: in some ways a more &#8220;traditional&#8221; approach to quantizing gravity. Retains, on the surface at least, many of the features that people considered aesthetically good about general relativity. Appears to be a &#8220;natural&#8221; development from the earlier part of the century. Some people who do LQG like to discuss these facets quite a bit, to the annoyance of string theorists who claim that just following the rules won&#8217;t give you something as great as the past. Complaints of being ignored, oppressed, etc.<br />
String Theory: crazy free-for-all, can do it even if you have no idea how to solve a grad-level problem in classical quantum mechanics. Anything you do is right because nothing, so far, is wrong. Amazing results appear occasionally but people complain it&#8217;s just fashion-driven and that the bulk is just repetitive and sterile, or at least deeply out of touch with the needs of the larger community.<br />
As for poems about string theory: sort of like poems about alchemy? I think a John Donne type could do it best.<br />
Yours,<br />
John Dee<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_3143"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 3143 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Linh Dinh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Linh Dinh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 18:39:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I actually love straight streets. It gets me to the Walmart quicker.
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		<title>By: Don Share</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Share</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 18:24:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Simon,  &lt;i&gt;Time&lt;/i&gt; magazine, which is all-knowing, has &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1226142,00.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;declared String Theory to be over&lt;/a&gt;.
Can you tell me 1.) if, as a physicist, you agree; 2.) if so, how this affects the above syllogism; and 3.) what you think will happen to all those poems about String Theory, e.g.:
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.poets.org/viewmedia.php/prmMID/18996&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.poets.org/viewmedia.php/prmMID/18996&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.missourireview.org/content/features/2007/weeklypoem/2007-03-20_hicok.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.missourireview.org/content/features/2007/weeklypoem/2007-03-20_hicok.php&lt;/a&gt;
Welcome back!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simon,  <i>Time</i> magazine, which is all-knowing, has <a href="http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1226142,00.html" rel="nofollow">declared String Theory to be over</a>.<br />
Can you tell me 1.) if, as a physicist, you agree; 2.) if so, how this affects the above syllogism; and 3.) what you think will happen to all those poems about String Theory, e.g.:<br />
<a href="http://www.poets.org/viewmedia.php/prmMID/18996" rel="nofollow">http://www.poets.org/viewmedia.php/prmMID/18996</a><br />
<a href="http://www.missourireview.org/content/features/2007/weeklypoem/2007-03-20_hicok.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.missourireview.org/content/features/2007/weeklypoem/2007-03-20_hicok.php</a><br />
Welcome back!<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_3141"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 3141 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Simon DeDeo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simon DeDeo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 16:10:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh no! Formal verse flamewars coming! Let me join in --
accentual-syllabic : free verse :: Macintosh : Linux
Honda Prius : Hum-Vee?
Hilary Clinton : Barack Obama?
Loop Quantum Gravity : String Theory?
Small Town in France : Small Town in Wisconsin?
MBTA : MTA?
Thanks folks, I&#039;m here all week.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh no! Formal verse flamewars coming! Let me join in &#8211;<br />
accentual-syllabic : free verse :: Macintosh : Linux<br />
Honda Prius : Hum-Vee?<br />
Hilary Clinton : Barack Obama?<br />
Loop Quantum Gravity : String Theory?<br />
Small Town in France : Small Town in Wisconsin?<br />
MBTA : MTA?<br />
Thanks folks, I&#8217;m here all week.<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_3140"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 3140 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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