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		<title>By: Linh Dinh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Linh Dinh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 12:58:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Steve,
Let&#039;s hope someone out there can answer your question about &quot;languages in which the verb &quot;to eat&quot; has a similar centrality.&quot; As for the West Coast punk rock scene, maybe I&#039;ll transcribe a bunch of Raymond Pettibon&#039;s texts, lifted from his drawings, to show how brilliant he is as a poet.
Cheers!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Steve,<br />
Let&#8217;s hope someone out there can answer your question about &#8220;languages in which the verb &#8220;to eat&#8221; has a similar centrality.&#8221; As for the West Coast punk rock scene, maybe I&#8217;ll transcribe a bunch of Raymond Pettibon&#8217;s texts, lifted from his drawings, to show how brilliant he is as a poet.<br />
Cheers!</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 01:06:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cool!
I was hoping for the secret links between Vietnamese idiom and West Coast punk rock. Maybe next post? (The Eat, alas, were from Florida, not L.A.)
Are there any other languages in which the verb &quot;to eat&quot; has a similar centrality?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cool!<br />
I was hoping for the secret links between Vietnamese idiom and West Coast punk rock. Maybe next post? (The Eat, alas, were from Florida, not L.A.)<br />
Are there any other languages in which the verb &#8220;to eat&#8221; has a similar centrality?</p>
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		<title>By: Linh Dinh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Linh Dinh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 22:56:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Mark,
I have no idea how pervasive starvation was before the 20th century, but during World War Two, roughly two million Vietnamese, about one in ten, starved to death during the Japanese occupation, and almost everyone was starving during the hard-core Communist years, especially the post-Vietnam War years, as I&#039;ve written in the introduction to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.tinfishpress.com/vietnamese.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Three Vietnamese Poets&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Food shortage became a daily fact of life. Sorghum and cassavas were often substituted for rice in people&#039;s diet. Salt, sugar, and MSG were rationed. Fish sauce turned into salt water. Wine was made by fermenting the core of a pineapple. Phan Nhien Hao recalls his student days in the late 80&#039;s: &quot;I was hungry all the time. All the students living in the dormitories were really walking skeletons. Most of the time you could think of nothing but food.&quot;
Nguyen Quoc Chanh remembers: &quot;Before 1975, our family grew sugarcanes. Then my father was intimidated into giving much of his land to the government. They would have taken it away from him anyway. It didn&#039;t take long for the entire country to become destitute. We would eat this yellow sorgum, imported from India, which tasted really rubbery, for months at a time. And once a week we had to hear some idiot stuttering and lisping his way through an incoherent lecture on the glories of Marxism.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
My best guess is that the Vietnamese use all these eating metaphors simply because most of them were farmers and fishermen until very recently, all they did was cultivate food then eat it. Even today, eating is a huge and drawn out passion. Like everybody else, poets would meet to drink, eat and talk for hours on end. Unlike the country&#039;s architecture, painting, sculpture and, frankly, literature, Vietnamese cooking is truly sophisticated and can make a valid claim to being world class. I remember a New York Times critic saying that Saigon&#039;s Bến Thành market was the greatest food market she has ever set foot in, The variety and fragrant or pungent freshness of a Vietnamese market is truly astounding. Just writing about it makes me want to beam myself over there!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mark,<br />
I have no idea how pervasive starvation was before the 20th century, but during World War Two, roughly two million Vietnamese, about one in ten, starved to death during the Japanese occupation, and almost everyone was starving during the hard-core Communist years, especially the post-Vietnam War years, as I&#8217;ve written in the introduction to <a href="http://www.tinfishpress.com/vietnamese.pdf" rel="nofollow"><em>Three Vietnamese Poets</em></a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>Food shortage became a daily fact of life. Sorghum and cassavas were often substituted for rice in people&#8217;s diet. Salt, sugar, and MSG were rationed. Fish sauce turned into salt water. Wine was made by fermenting the core of a pineapple. Phan Nhien Hao recalls his student days in the late 80&#8217;s: &#8220;I was hungry all the time. All the students living in the dormitories were really walking skeletons. Most of the time you could think of nothing but food.&#8221;<br />
Nguyen Quoc Chanh remembers: &#8220;Before 1975, our family grew sugarcanes. Then my father was intimidated into giving much of his land to the government. They would have taken it away from him anyway. It didn&#8217;t take long for the entire country to become destitute. We would eat this yellow sorgum, imported from India, which tasted really rubbery, for months at a time. And once a week we had to hear some idiot stuttering and lisping his way through an incoherent lecture on the glories of Marxism.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>My best guess is that the Vietnamese use all these eating metaphors simply because most of them were farmers and fishermen until very recently, all they did was cultivate food then eat it. Even today, eating is a huge and drawn out passion. Like everybody else, poets would meet to drink, eat and talk for hours on end. Unlike the country&#8217;s architecture, painting, sculpture and, frankly, literature, Vietnamese cooking is truly sophisticated and can make a valid claim to being world class. I remember a New York Times critic saying that Saigon&#8217;s Bến Thành market was the greatest food market she has ever set foot in, The variety and fragrant or pungent freshness of a Vietnamese market is truly astounding. Just writing about it makes me want to beam myself over there!</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Wallace</title>
		<link>http://www.poetryfoundation.org/harriet/2008/04/impressionable-flesh-speaking/#comment-3363</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Wallace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 21:07:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A fascinating post, Linh. To what extent would you say that the centrality of eating to the Vietnamese language comes from a history of hunger and even starvation, and to what extent might it come from other factors?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A fascinating post, Linh. To what extent would you say that the centrality of eating to the Vietnamese language comes from a history of hunger and even starvation, and to what extent might it come from other factors?</p>
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