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		<description>[...] entire collection, so it&#8217;s important to also understand the idea of hybrid poetry. Don Share wrote about it on the Harriet Blog last October. The gist of the hybrid movement is perfect for the greater modern [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Bhanu Kapil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bhanu Kapil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 14:27:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Delayed, I find this thread.  I think of hybrids as living bodies, and because of this, I do not understand hybridity as a genre use.  Genre use that doesn&#039;t engage the fact of the body...and what if that body is marked by race, or physically, in other ways -- by crossings, by wars -- in ways that body can&#039;t readily conceal?
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		<title>By: Don Share</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Share</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 23:55:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope it&#039;s ok to reveal that the Walrus was Paul.
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		<title>By: Rex Cox</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rex Cox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 19:39:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looking through a glass onion- oh, yeah...the Beatles.
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		<title>By: James Stotts</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Stotts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 23:49:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>as a big fan of the four-line sonnet and the hay-na-ku, it seems disingenuous to buy into the &#039;opposition of mainstream and avant-garde poetry&#039;--those kinds of discussions tend to be more about politics than poetics.  schools or divisions usually end up forming around one or a few individuals with a particular vision, and brought to conclusion by a few more who follow through and then overcome it--that is, they are historical more than anything else.  and what&#039;s truly divisive, or can&#039;t be understood somewhere by someone, doesn&#039;t survive.  remember: poets survive because somebody loves them, is inspired by them.  that&#039;s not proof of quality, it&#039;s just the mode.
&#039;hybrid&#039;
chimera says
you have your mother’s eyes
you have the eyes of a nation
and that is why we can all tell
you’re not from around here
don’t blend in
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>as a big fan of the four-line sonnet and the hay-na-ku, it seems disingenuous to buy into the &#8216;opposition of mainstream and avant-garde poetry&#8217;&#8211;those kinds of discussions tend to be more about politics than poetics.  schools or divisions usually end up forming around one or a few individuals with a particular vision, and brought to conclusion by a few more who follow through and then overcome it&#8211;that is, they are historical more than anything else.  and what&#8217;s truly divisive, or can&#8217;t be understood somewhere by someone, doesn&#8217;t survive.  remember: poets survive because somebody loves them, is inspired by them.  that&#8217;s not proof of quality, it&#8217;s just the mode.<br />
&#8216;hybrid&#8217;<br />
chimera says<br />
you have your mother’s eyes<br />
you have the eyes of a nation<br />
and that is why we can all tell<br />
you’re not from around here<br />
don’t blend in<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_5802"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 5802 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: john</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 16:39:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don,
Good question!  Does newness wear out?
&quot;What is good is what is news that stays news&quot; . . .
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don,<br />
Good question!  Does newness wear out?<br />
&#8220;What is good is what is news that stays news&#8221; . . .<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_5801"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 5801 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Henry Gould</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 03:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually I think the so-called division goes back further, to Whitman &amp; Longfellow (Song of Hiawaths and Song of Myself, both published in 1855).
Poe &amp; Dickinson as counter-tenors.  Melville (Clarel) as b-flat double-bass.
We don&#039;t know or understand our own history... &amp; yet we gab, &amp; worry, &amp; compare...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually I think the so-called division goes back further, to Whitman &#038; Longfellow (Song of Hiawaths and Song of Myself, both published in 1855).<br />
Poe &#038; Dickinson as counter-tenors.  Melville (Clarel) as b-flat double-bass.<br />
We don&#8217;t know or understand our own history&#8230; &#038; yet we gab, &#038; worry, &#038; compare&#8230;<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_5800"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 5800 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Don Share</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Share</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 00:32:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, Henry, thanks for this comment.  I don&#039;t think I have much to quarrel with in what you say.  I&#039;ve been wanting to add, generally, a paraphrase of Pound, though: when it comes to the passage of time in poetry, &quot;distance avails not.&quot;  (He actually said this of translation.)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, Henry, thanks for this comment.  I don&#8217;t think I have much to quarrel with in what you say.  I&#8217;ve been wanting to add, generally, a paraphrase of Pound, though: when it comes to the passage of time in poetry, &#8220;distance avails not.&#8221;  (He actually said this of translation.)<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_5799"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 5799 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Henry Gould</title>
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		<dc:creator>Henry Gould</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 00:16:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems to me that Don Share (&amp; Robert Von Hallberg) overstate, rhetorically &amp; polemically, Pound&#039;s disruption of prose values - since Pound was an enthusiast for BOTH ends of the spectrum.  That is, for imagistic, ideogrammatic short-cuts, as well as for the prose realism of a number of early 20th-century novelists (from James to Joyce).  And this enthusiasm for prose had a subterranean influence, by way of WCW and others, on the 60s prose/free-verse wave beginning with Lowell&#039;s &quot;Life Studies&quot;.
Though perhaps Don is right to suggest that the binaries of US poetics began with Pound&#039;s imagism.  An anthology of &quot;hybrid&quot; poetics clearly attempts to ratify the existence of such a binary (since constructed on a melding or resolution of same).
Van Hallberg writes : &quot;The shock of Fenollosa&#039;s or Pound&#039;s ideogrammic method is gone... Poets and their readers commonly understand that intelligiblity is not limited to what can be concisely stipulated. Some poets urge their art into the gap between what conventional discourse comprehends and what readers of poetry may apprehend. As they do so, intelligibility is inevitably spoken of in the subjective mood. One asks, poem by poem, how unintelligibility brings gain, and of what kind.&quot;
- this reminds me of Leopardi&#039;s criticism of a lot of  (English) Renaissance &amp; Baroque (Metaphysical) poetry - that the focus is on surface glitter and rhetorical tricks &amp; flash.  A coterie poetry - verbal pyrotechnics, rather than plot (story) or feeling.  Which relates to Bill Knott&#039;s pathetic complaint or caterwaul.  The assumption here (in Von Hallberg) is that &quot;conventional discourse&quot; is some kind of firm but drab template against which the rhetorical tweaks and twitches of poetic &quot;experiment&#039; lead to new visions... sad to say Rimbaud laughed this off over a century ago (before the Moderns even got started).  There is no rhetorical or artsy solution to the blindness  &amp; tragedy of the human predicament.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems to me that Don Share (&#038; Robert Von Hallberg) overstate, rhetorically &#038; polemically, Pound&#8217;s disruption of prose values &#8211; since Pound was an enthusiast for BOTH ends of the spectrum.  That is, for imagistic, ideogrammatic short-cuts, as well as for the prose realism of a number of early 20th-century novelists (from James to Joyce).  And this enthusiasm for prose had a subterranean influence, by way of WCW and others, on the 60s prose/free-verse wave beginning with Lowell&#8217;s &#8220;Life Studies&#8221;.<br />
Though perhaps Don is right to suggest that the binaries of US poetics began with Pound&#8217;s imagism.  An anthology of &#8220;hybrid&#8221; poetics clearly attempts to ratify the existence of such a binary (since constructed on a melding or resolution of same).<br />
Van Hallberg writes : &#8220;The shock of Fenollosa&#8217;s or Pound&#8217;s ideogrammic method is gone&#8230; Poets and their readers commonly understand that intelligiblity is not limited to what can be concisely stipulated. Some poets urge their art into the gap between what conventional discourse comprehends and what readers of poetry may apprehend. As they do so, intelligibility is inevitably spoken of in the subjective mood. One asks, poem by poem, how unintelligibility brings gain, and of what kind.&#8221;<br />
- this reminds me of Leopardi&#8217;s criticism of a lot of  (English) Renaissance &#038; Baroque (Metaphysical) poetry &#8211; that the focus is on surface glitter and rhetorical tricks &#038; flash.  A coterie poetry &#8211; verbal pyrotechnics, rather than plot (story) or feeling.  Which relates to Bill Knott&#8217;s pathetic complaint or caterwaul.  The assumption here (in Von Hallberg) is that &#8220;conventional discourse&#8221; is some kind of firm but drab template against which the rhetorical tweaks and twitches of poetic &#8220;experiment&#8217; lead to new visions&#8230; sad to say Rimbaud laughed this off over a century ago (before the Moderns even got started).  There is no rhetorical or artsy solution to the blindness  &#038; tragedy of the human predicament.<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_5798"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 5798 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Don Share</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Share</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 00:15:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>About which, I now see, Bill &lt;a href=&quot;http://billknott.typepad.com/notpoetryblog/2008/10/dear-bill-zavatsky-how-much-do-you-want.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;has this to say.&lt;/a&gt;
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		<title>By: Don Share</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Share</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 23:28:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mary Karr&#039;s kiss to Bill can be found &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/09/AR2008100902523.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;by clicking here!&lt;/a&gt;
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		<title>By: Daniel Nester</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel Nester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 20:46:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want to kiss Bill Knott,
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		<title>By: Don Share</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Share</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 12:37:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, thanks, John.  To which I say, yay!  But I can&#039;t figure out whether that cool Rago statement should now be considered old or... still-new!  (As I recall, even Silliman had nice things to say about Rago...)
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		<title>By: john</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 23:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don, this one&#039;s for you!
&quot;What is new is what is good.  And -- Mr. Pound&#039;s *Make It New* will not be evaded -- what is good is what is new.  There is no point otherwise in writing the poem.  A poet does not write the poem he knows can be written; he writes what he will know only when he has written it.  All he can see at first is what looks like the impossibility of any expression; it will be a poem or it will be nothing; it will cause language to exist where there was no language before.  The good poem is always a surprise.  If it could have been predicted, it would not be a good poem.&quot; -- Henry Rago, Forward, *Poetry*, The Fiftieth Anniversary
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don, this one&#8217;s for you!<br />
&#8220;What is new is what is good.  And &#8212; Mr. Pound&#8217;s *Make It New* will not be evaded &#8212; what is good is what is new.  There is no point otherwise in writing the poem.  A poet does not write the poem he knows can be written; he writes what he will know only when he has written it.  All he can see at first is what looks like the impossibility of any expression; it will be a poem or it will be nothing; it will cause language to exist where there was no language before.  The good poem is always a surprise.  If it could have been predicted, it would not be a good poem.&#8221; &#8212; Henry Rago, Forward, *Poetry*, The Fiftieth Anniversary<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_5793"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 5793 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Kent Johnson</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 15:05:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So you think *you&#039;re* special, hybrid poets?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So you think *you&#8217;re* special, hybrid poets?<br />
:~)<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAyhz2m-UuQ" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAyhz2m-UuQ</a><br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_5792"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 5792 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Don Share</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Share</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 12:25:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for making my point better than I did, Vivek.  One can find &quot;new&quot; all over the place, if that seems better than something &quot;old.&quot;  But if folks merely assumed I wasn&#039;t &quot;keeping up,&quot; I&#039;m happy to show otherwise, though that doesn&#039;t prove much, does it?  New, schmoo, I&#039;m saying.  Maybe the most meaningful hybrid is that of &quot;new&quot; and &quot;old.&quot;  But you can see how ridiculous it is to talk about poetry like this, eh?
Speaking of the &quot;new&quot; and iPhones:
Our inventions are wont to be pretty toys, which distract our attention from serious things. They are but improved means to an unimproved end, an end which it was already but too easy to arrive at; as railroads lead to Boston or New York. We are in great haste to construct a magnetic telegraph from Maine to Texas; but Maine and Texas, it may be, have nothing important to communicate... As if the main object were to talk fast and not to talk sensibly. We are eager to tunnel under the Atlantic and bring the old world some weeks nearer to the new; but perchance the first news that will leak through into the broad, flapping American ear will be that the Princess Adelaide has the whooping cough.
- Thoreau
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for making my point better than I did, Vivek.  One can find &#8220;new&#8221; all over the place, if that seems better than something &#8220;old.&#8221;  But if folks merely assumed I wasn&#8217;t &#8220;keeping up,&#8221; I&#8217;m happy to show otherwise, though that doesn&#8217;t prove much, does it?  New, schmoo, I&#8217;m saying.  Maybe the most meaningful hybrid is that of &#8220;new&#8221; and &#8220;old.&#8221;  But you can see how ridiculous it is to talk about poetry like this, eh?<br />
Speaking of the &#8220;new&#8221; and iPhones:<br />
Our inventions are wont to be pretty toys, which distract our attention from serious things. They are but improved means to an unimproved end, an end which it was already but too easy to arrive at; as railroads lead to Boston or New York. We are in great haste to construct a magnetic telegraph from Maine to Texas; but Maine and Texas, it may be, have nothing important to communicate&#8230; As if the main object were to talk fast and not to talk sensibly. We are eager to tunnel under the Atlantic and bring the old world some weeks nearer to the new; but perchance the first news that will leak through into the broad, flapping American ear will be that the Princess Adelaide has the whooping cough.<br />
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		<title>By: Vivek Narayanan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vivek Narayanan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 10:28:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does it have to be new? Like the iphone or something?  Does there have to be a new new each week?  Maybe what we should do then is build obsolescence and flimsiness right into the structures of our poems, a sell-by or expiry date, the way we do with our electronic products, a good way to keep prices from crashing too.
Or maybe we should make it old.  Maybe old is going to be the new new.
At any rate, I find myself saying: &quot;Disjunction is just a technique--not a value or a sure sign of progress!&#039;
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Or maybe we should make it old.  Maybe old is going to be the new new.<br />
At any rate, I find myself saying: &#8220;Disjunction is just a technique&#8211;not a value or a sure sign of progress!&#8217;<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_5790"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 5790 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Lemon Hound</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lemon Hound</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 03:59:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shall we give away our secret new sources??
Hm.
I can tell you where you won&#039;t find new quicker than where you will.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shall we give away our secret new sources??<br />
Hm.<br />
I can tell you where you won&#8217;t find new quicker than where you will.<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_5789"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 5789 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Kent Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kent Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 22:25:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;Because I don&#039;t want to believe in hybridity; however, the evidence before me suggests that hybridity has been secured by Iowa grads with impeccable pedigrees.
Hm. These &quot;impeccable pedigrees&quot;... Do they really only get woven in Iowa?
Kent
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>>Because I don&#8217;t want to believe in hybridity; however, the evidence before me suggests that hybridity has been secured by Iowa grads with impeccable pedigrees.<br />
Hm. These &#8220;impeccable pedigrees&#8221;&#8230; Do they really only get woven in Iowa?<br />
Kent<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_5788"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 5788 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Don Share</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Share</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 20:57:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I read Damn the Caesars, as well - who published, among much other worthiness, a talk by Tom Pickard.
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		<title>By: MM</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 20:47:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don . . . I&#039;d maybe suggest &lt;i&gt;Damn the Caesars&lt;/i&gt; as well . . . I have their 4th issue in front of me right now and it seems to be on the up and up. . . . skewing slightly &quot;newer&quot; (maybe) than &lt;i&gt;Shiny&lt;/i&gt;, which is pretty terrific as well . . . but seems to have a 2nd/3rd/4th gen. NY retrospective style (some might say &quot;heritage&quot;) that it can&#039;t seem to shake off for any extended stretch (not to say that&#039;s a bad thing--it&#039;s not, and is usually something to look for . . .) . . . which, in any event, at this very moment, notches them just below &lt;i&gt;DtC&lt;/i&gt; in my book . . . if you&#039;re looking for the &quot;new&quot; . . .
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don . . . I&#8217;d maybe suggest <i>Damn the Caesars</i> as well . . . I have their 4th issue in front of me right now and it seems to be on the up and up. . . . skewing slightly &#8220;newer&#8221; (maybe) than <i>Shiny</i>, which is pretty terrific as well . . . but seems to have a 2nd/3rd/4th gen. NY retrospective style (some might say &#8220;heritage&#8221;) that it can&#8217;t seem to shake off for any extended stretch (not to say that&#8217;s a bad thing&#8211;it&#8217;s not, and is usually something to look for . . .) . . . which, in any event, at this very moment, notches them just below <i>DtC</i> in my book . . . if you&#8217;re looking for the &#8220;new&#8221; . . .<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_5786"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 5786 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Don Share</title>
		<link>http://www.poetryfoundation.org/harriet/2008/10/the-hybrid-way-or-the-highway/#comment-5785</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Share</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 18:27:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep, we subscribe in the office to 6X6 (produced in an edition of only 1,000!).
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		<title>By: Aaron Fagan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron Fagan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 17:50:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I now see The Canary is The Canarium.
Forgot to mention Ugly Duckling&#039;s journal 6X6.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I now see The Canary is The Canarium.<br />
Forgot to mention Ugly Duckling&#8217;s journal 6X6.<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_5784"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 5784 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Don Share</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Share</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 16:34:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some of us have missed Reginald on this thread.  Well, here&#039;s his two cents on the subject:
&quot;The possibility that different poets and different kinds of poetry may be doing different but equally worthwhile sorts of things (one that is taken for granted in the world of contemporary visual art) is also rarely consdiered, or is dismissed as mere liberal pluralism and co-optation.  The opposition of mainstream and avant-garde poetry has become almost as ritualized as the opposition of poetry and criticism, in which poets demonize criticism as the death of literature and the imagination and critics condescend to poets at best and utterly ignore them at worst.  This is part of what the brilliant poet and critic Susan Stewart has called the &#039;general climate of anti-intellectualism and refusal of speculation by many American poets&quot; (and that very much includes many experimentalist poets, who too often neglect the intellectual underpinnings of their practice.).&quot;
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&#8220;The possibility that different poets and different kinds of poetry may be doing different but equally worthwhile sorts of things (one that is taken for granted in the world of contemporary visual art) is also rarely consdiered, or is dismissed as mere liberal pluralism and co-optation.  The opposition of mainstream and avant-garde poetry has become almost as ritualized as the opposition of poetry and criticism, in which poets demonize criticism as the death of literature and the imagination and critics condescend to poets at best and utterly ignore them at worst.  This is part of what the brilliant poet and critic Susan Stewart has called the &#8216;general climate of anti-intellectualism and refusal of speculation by many American poets&#8221; (and that very much includes many experimentalist poets, who too often neglect the intellectual underpinnings of their practice.).&#8221;<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_5783"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 5783 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Doodle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doodle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 16:19:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Evergreen Review&lt;/i&gt; may be evergreen, but it&#039;s not new.  Right now they&#039;re featuring... Beckett!  And Barney Ross is (all due respect) ... how old???
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		<title>By: Aaron Fagan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron Fagan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 15:51:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barney Rosset et al at Evergreen Review still publish sufficiently weird and entertaining work.
Elk was rad while it lasted.
Canteen is okay.
What happened to The Canary? That was a great bright shining light.
/nor is standard-issue cool.
1913 is beautiful but lame. Like so many people and publications.
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Elk was rad while it lasted.<br />
Canteen is okay.<br />
What happened to The Canary? That was a great bright shining light.<br />
/nor is standard-issue cool.<br />
1913 is beautiful but lame. Like so many people and publications.<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_5781"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 5781 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Don Share</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Share</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 14:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One place Fred Sasaki &amp; I keep an eye on for &quot;new&quot; [in some folks&#039; sense of the word, not mine, exactly] is &lt;i&gt;Shiny&lt;/i&gt;.  Any other &lt;i&gt;Shiny&lt;/i&gt; readers here?
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		<title>By: Doodle</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 13:21:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No usual suspects, please.
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 04:47:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jen Currin, Tina Brown Celona, Tao Lin, Noelle Kocot, Geraldine Kim, Graham Foust, Amanda Nadelberg, I&#039;m just listing these off the top of my head, Leigh Stein, Sommer Browning, Julia Cohen, Jeni Olin, Matt Hart, Stephanie Young, Sharon Mesmer, Gabriel Gudding, Anne Boyer, Ish Klein...just a few youngish people I&#039;ve recently discovered and liked very much...I find them at good bookstores and on the internet.  I think they are doing new things and even if they&#039;re less new than you might like well I don&#039;t really care.  If I sat here another five minutes I could list fifty more.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jen Currin, Tina Brown Celona, Tao Lin, Noelle Kocot, Geraldine Kim, Graham Foust, Amanda Nadelberg, I&#8217;m just listing these off the top of my head, Leigh Stein, Sommer Browning, Julia Cohen, Jeni Olin, Matt Hart, Stephanie Young, Sharon Mesmer, Gabriel Gudding, Anne Boyer, Ish Klein&#8230;just a few youngish people I&#8217;ve recently discovered and liked very much&#8230;I find them at good bookstores and on the internet.  I think they are doing new things and even if they&#8217;re less new than you might like well I don&#8217;t really care.  If I sat here another five minutes I could list fifty more.<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_5778"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 5778 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Don Share</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Share</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 03:37:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lemon H., where to begin?  I see the poems that are submitted to us here at &lt;i&gt;Poetry&lt;/i&gt;.  I am a committed book buyer, and buy A LOT of books, &#039;cos I&#039;m a bookworm and have few other bad habits.  Augmenting this, we get sent a great many new books for review here, as you might imagine, and we subscribe to lots of mags in the office.  I&#039;m online day and night, as some folks can testify, so I&#039;m on the prowl for poetry on the good ol&#039; internets.  I used to acquire all the poetry stuff for a major university collection of contemporary poetry, and hosted a reading series - so I got a good education that way... If I keep going on, it&#039;s just going to sound pompous, and I don&#039;t want it to.  What I&#039;m saying is that I spend most of my waking hrs. searching for poetry both old and new in various senses.  Including your own fine blog.  My eyes are peeled!  But it&#039;s not, as one says, about me.  So all this aside, suggest anything &lt;i&gt;new&lt;/i&gt; right here, folks, and tell me where YOU guys look for it!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lemon H., where to begin?  I see the poems that are submitted to us here at <i>Poetry</i>.  I am a committed book buyer, and buy A LOT of books, &#8216;cos I&#8217;m a bookworm and have few other bad habits.  Augmenting this, we get sent a great many new books for review here, as you might imagine, and we subscribe to lots of mags in the office.  I&#8217;m online day and night, as some folks can testify, so I&#8217;m on the prowl for poetry on the good ol&#8217; internets.  I used to acquire all the poetry stuff for a major university collection of contemporary poetry, and hosted a reading series &#8211; so I got a good education that way&#8230; If I keep going on, it&#8217;s just going to sound pompous, and I don&#8217;t want it to.  What I&#8217;m saying is that I spend most of my waking hrs. searching for poetry both old and new in various senses.  Including your own fine blog.  My eyes are peeled!  But it&#8217;s not, as one says, about me.  So all this aside, suggest anything <i>new</i> right here, folks, and tell me where YOU guys look for it!<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_5777"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 5777 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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