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	<title>Comments on: Face Forward: The Poets House Annual Showcase of Poetry Books</title>
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		<title>By: Susan Maurer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susan Maurer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 18:21:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fun to see you at this event . Thanks for the mention of MAERCHEN and best of luck with your Dusie. Susan Maurer</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fun to see you at this event . Thanks for the mention of MAERCHEN and best of luck with your Dusie. Susan Maurer</p>
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		<title>By: Annie Finch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Annie Finch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 00:07:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t worry. You&#039;ll be there someday.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t worry. You&#8217;ll be there someday.</p>
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		<title>By: james stotts</title>
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		<dc:creator>james stotts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 20:56:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it&#039;s not that i mind the place of others, necessarily or consciously, anyway. although, when the inventory is so overwhelming i do sometimes wish that poets would make way for me (we all want our voice to be heard, and sometimes trick ourselves into thinking that that&#039;s the important thing).

what it is, is the anxiety that something might be happening that we can come to understand by looking at the phenomena, something that i have a feeling is a bad thing.  the idea of seeing 2400 poetry books, or 4400, is a figure that&#039;s dwarfed by any good university library or a main library in a major city. and a library has the added benefit of endowing the books with a sense of inheritance (as opposed to taking annual tally), of fostering community beyond marketing and without the intrusion of self-promoting artists.

if it gets somebody to let go of the pretension that they can encompass it all with its overwhelming display, i guess i agree that&#039;s a good thing--a socratic kind of humility--because of course we can&#039;t really &#039;keep our finger&#039; on american poetry, even if in our prime we can read a thousand pages an hour (i just heard h. bloom claim that capability for himself when he was in thirties; he&#039;s some kind of otherworldly creature!)

i&#039;m certain i would have loved it.  i can&#039;t walk into a bookstore w/o my wife rolling her eyes and asking me to give her my wallet.  when i see a book i want, i lose control, and it really is a crime how they (book publishers, bookstores) can coerce me out of $100 the way they do, and for books that i don&#039;t know when i&#039;ll ever be able to read, that might possibly be stolen over the internet, or checked out at the library.

maybe i&#039;m just jealous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it&#8217;s not that i mind the place of others, necessarily or consciously, anyway. although, when the inventory is so overwhelming i do sometimes wish that poets would make way for me (we all want our voice to be heard, and sometimes trick ourselves into thinking that that&#8217;s the important thing).</p>
<p>what it is, is the anxiety that something might be happening that we can come to understand by looking at the phenomena, something that i have a feeling is a bad thing.  the idea of seeing 2400 poetry books, or 4400, is a figure that&#8217;s dwarfed by any good university library or a main library in a major city. and a library has the added benefit of endowing the books with a sense of inheritance (as opposed to taking annual tally), of fostering community beyond marketing and without the intrusion of self-promoting artists.</p>
<p>if it gets somebody to let go of the pretension that they can encompass it all with its overwhelming display, i guess i agree that&#8217;s a good thing&#8211;a socratic kind of humility&#8211;because of course we can&#8217;t really &#8216;keep our finger&#8217; on american poetry, even if in our prime we can read a thousand pages an hour (i just heard h. bloom claim that capability for himself when he was in thirties; he&#8217;s some kind of otherworldly creature!)</p>
<p>i&#8217;m certain i would have loved it.  i can&#8217;t walk into a bookstore w/o my wife rolling her eyes and asking me to give her my wallet.  when i see a book i want, i lose control, and it really is a crime how they (book publishers, bookstores) can coerce me out of $100 the way they do, and for books that i don&#8217;t know when i&#8217;ll ever be able to read, that might possibly be stolen over the internet, or checked out at the library.</p>
<p>maybe i&#8217;m just jealous.</p>
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		<title>By: Annie Finch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Annie Finch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 19:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow James, I think i&#039;d be driven absolutely nuts by the idea of 2400 &quot;great poetry books&quot; published in one year (by great, meaning ones I&#039;d want to read at length and in depth). A little great poetry can go a long way, one book or poem nourishing me for years.

I do think you would have liked it, and found enough great things there. 

One thing: in the abstract, it&#039;s one thing to talk about &quot;a kind of glib, resentful eagerness to accept it all without being judgmental, to evaluate art by every other measure other than its [excuse me for correcting your apostrophe here] aesthetic merit so as not to exclude or denigrate ‘lesser’ writers.&quot;  I have certainly felt that way myself also.

BUT, when you are actually THERE, and you see not only the books, in all their variety of formats and bindings and covers, and not only that but the POETS, in all their variety of backgrounds and expectations, you see that the world of poetry is so much wider than any of us can possibly encompass, especially those of us with MFA degrees or whatever who might spend a lot of time trying to encompass it or thinking we are encompassing it.  In other words, it really is a WORLD, meaning &quot;it takes all kinds,&quot; &quot;live and let live,&quot; etc. etc. etc., and to begin to try to judge it or narrow it down just feels kind of irrelevant, like trying to decide that certain breeds of dogs shouldn&#039;t exist or something.  It had that effect on me anyway, in retrospect; seeing what 2400 books looks like made me more aware of the fact that each of us has a place in the scheme of poetry and we don&#039;t really need to worry about the places of others.  In retrospect I found it, paradoxically, relaxing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow James, I think i&#8217;d be driven absolutely nuts by the idea of 2400 &#8220;great poetry books&#8221; published in one year (by great, meaning ones I&#8217;d want to read at length and in depth). A little great poetry can go a long way, one book or poem nourishing me for years.</p>
<p>I do think you would have liked it, and found enough great things there. </p>
<p>One thing: in the abstract, it&#8217;s one thing to talk about &#8220;a kind of glib, resentful eagerness to accept it all without being judgmental, to evaluate art by every other measure other than its [excuse me for correcting your apostrophe here] aesthetic merit so as not to exclude or denigrate ‘lesser’ writers.&#8221;  I have certainly felt that way myself also.</p>
<p>BUT, when you are actually THERE, and you see not only the books, in all their variety of formats and bindings and covers, and not only that but the POETS, in all their variety of backgrounds and expectations, you see that the world of poetry is so much wider than any of us can possibly encompass, especially those of us with MFA degrees or whatever who might spend a lot of time trying to encompass it or thinking we are encompassing it.  In other words, it really is a WORLD, meaning &#8220;it takes all kinds,&#8221; &#8220;live and let live,&#8221; etc. etc. etc., and to begin to try to judge it or narrow it down just feels kind of irrelevant, like trying to decide that certain breeds of dogs shouldn&#8217;t exist or something.  It had that effect on me anyway, in retrospect; seeing what 2400 books looks like made me more aware of the fact that each of us has a place in the scheme of poetry and we don&#8217;t really need to worry about the places of others.  In retrospect I found it, paradoxically, relaxing.</p>
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		<title>By: james stotts</title>
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		<dc:creator>james stotts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 10:36:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;inclusive rather than evaluative&#039; sounds like a social mission at poetry&#039;s expense.  there&#039;s a difference (pardon my french) between drowning in a sea of bad poetry, and the ocean in a teacup that a good poem is--a difference between reading poetry ad nauseam, and poetry that can be read ad infinitum.

true, there&#039;s great poetry that&#039;s beyond most people&#039;s ability to appreciate (we&#039;ve all experienced it), and so a stratification and a diffractive radiation can sometimes spread us thin and gather us up in almost-isolated schools, and not be a bad sign for the state of poetry.  but there&#039;s also so much poetry out there, and so much of it bad and unreadable, and along with it a kind of glib, resentful eagerness to accept it all without being judgemental, to evaluate art by every other measure other than it&#039;s aesthetic merit so as not to exclude or denigrate &#039;lesser&#039; writers...well, the idea of so many poetry books could only be exciting if it meant the impossible: so many great poetry books.  instead the showcase is all too possible, too successful, and entirely impotent to change people&#039;s minds about poetry for the better (it probably turns more people off, who walk away silently, than it brings anybody in, which is the very definition of any trap&#039;s failure).
i&#039;m sure i would have liked it, and probably went overboard buying books while i was there, and that a lot of them were probably great.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;inclusive rather than evaluative&#8217; sounds like a social mission at poetry&#8217;s expense.  there&#8217;s a difference (pardon my french) between drowning in a sea of bad poetry, and the ocean in a teacup that a good poem is&#8211;a difference between reading poetry ad nauseam, and poetry that can be read ad infinitum.</p>
<p>true, there&#8217;s great poetry that&#8217;s beyond most people&#8217;s ability to appreciate (we&#8217;ve all experienced it), and so a stratification and a diffractive radiation can sometimes spread us thin and gather us up in almost-isolated schools, and not be a bad sign for the state of poetry.  but there&#8217;s also so much poetry out there, and so much of it bad and unreadable, and along with it a kind of glib, resentful eagerness to accept it all without being judgemental, to evaluate art by every other measure other than it&#8217;s aesthetic merit so as not to exclude or denigrate &#8216;lesser&#8217; writers&#8230;well, the idea of so many poetry books could only be exciting if it meant the impossible: so many great poetry books.  instead the showcase is all too possible, too successful, and entirely impotent to change people&#8217;s minds about poetry for the better (it probably turns more people off, who walk away silently, than it brings anybody in, which is the very definition of any trap&#8217;s failure).<br />
i&#8217;m sure i would have liked it, and probably went overboard buying books while i was there, and that a lot of them were probably great.</p>
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		<title>By: Mari L'Esperance</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mari L'Esperance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 01:26:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Annie, for this report. Although I was unable to attend, it felt good to know that my book was in good company. Lots of company, by the sound of it! And I agree that Poets House&#039;s mission - to be inclusive rather than evaluative - is valuable in and of itself. Let&#039;s let the readers make their own discoveries and discernments. One of the gifts of the showcase seems to be the thrill of discovery - it&#039;s like an intuitive treasure hunt. I like it. Wish I could have been there.

And congratulations on your latest achievement.

Best,

Mari</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Annie, for this report. Although I was unable to attend, it felt good to know that my book was in good company. Lots of company, by the sound of it! And I agree that Poets House&#8217;s mission &#8211; to be inclusive rather than evaluative &#8211; is valuable in and of itself. Let&#8217;s let the readers make their own discoveries and discernments. One of the gifts of the showcase seems to be the thrill of discovery &#8211; it&#8217;s like an intuitive treasure hunt. I like it. Wish I could have been there.</p>
<p>And congratulations on your latest achievement.</p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>Mari</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Guriel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Guriel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 19:52:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great report, Annie. Thanks for the pix.</description>
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		<title>By: thomas brady</title>
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		<dc:creator>thomas brady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 13:05:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gail,

Well, we need more critics.

It&#039;s a simple as that.

We should form a consortium of The One Hundred Critics.  I think universitites could subsidize them, if they pooled their resources.

Now, these 100 Poetry Critics, known as &#039;the one hundred&#039; and featured on the cover of Time &amp; Newsweek, perhaps, would reintroduce standards again into a dying art.

All of a sudden 2,400 books does not seem so insurmountable.  

That&#039;s only 24 books per critic, per year.

24 per year.  That&#039;s it.

There you go.  The world of poetry is under control.

Hell, give me 9 critics and the 10 of us will take care of 2400 books, easily.  That&#039;s 240 books per critic.  I&#039;m sure I can go through 240 books in an afternoon, or a weekend, let&#039;s say, especially since by reading the first few poems in a book I would get a sense pretty quickly if there was something new and outstanding going on.

Thomas</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gail,</p>
<p>Well, we need more critics.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a simple as that.</p>
<p>We should form a consortium of The One Hundred Critics.  I think universitites could subsidize them, if they pooled their resources.</p>
<p>Now, these 100 Poetry Critics, known as &#8216;the one hundred&#8217; and featured on the cover of Time &amp; Newsweek, perhaps, would reintroduce standards again into a dying art.</p>
<p>All of a sudden 2,400 books does not seem so insurmountable.  </p>
<p>That&#8217;s only 24 books per critic, per year.</p>
<p>24 per year.  That&#8217;s it.</p>
<p>There you go.  The world of poetry is under control.</p>
<p>Hell, give me 9 critics and the 10 of us will take care of 2400 books, easily.  That&#8217;s 240 books per critic.  I&#8217;m sure I can go through 240 books in an afternoon, or a weekend, let&#8217;s say, especially since by reading the first few poems in a book I would get a sense pretty quickly if there was something new and outstanding going on.</p>
<p>Thomas</p>
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		<title>By: Gail White</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gail White</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 12:19:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>2400 poetry books are published every year?  
That&#039;s probably more than the number of poetry books that are BOUGHT in a year!  

Why do we go on?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>2400 poetry books are published every year?<br />
That&#8217;s probably more than the number of poetry books that are BOUGHT in a year!  </p>
<p>Why do we go on?</p>
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		<title>By: Catherine Halley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Catherine Halley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 21:06:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Annie. And congratulations on Shadow-Bird. I wish I&#039;d had my act together to buy a subscription so I had it now-ish!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Annie. And congratulations on Shadow-Bird. I wish I&#8217;d had my act together to buy a subscription so I had it now-ish!</p>
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