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		<title>By: john</title>
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		<dc:creator>john</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 13:50:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know why I hadn&#039;t checked out the clip Thomas linked to, but Martin&#039;s description made me think it might be from the documentary I had seen, and it is!  Thanks, Thomas and Martin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know why I hadn&#8217;t checked out the clip Thomas linked to, but Martin&#8217;s description made me think it might be from the documentary I had seen, and it is!  Thanks, Thomas and Martin.<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_10365"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 10365 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Don Share</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Share</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 01:46:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for this, Martin, and I love that you mention W.S. Graham - speaking of not being &quot;major&quot; enough, I was prevented from doing my dissertation on him because, well, you know.  But he is a marvelous poet, and fortunately Faber recently put out a new collected poems (the old one wasn&#039;t actually complete) - only available, I think, in Canada and the UK, but obtainable online.  I never thought of comparing him to Adam, but it makes a lot of sense - and they&#039;re pretty much contemporaries, born just 9 years apart!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this, Martin, and I love that you mention W.S. Graham &#8211; speaking of not being &#8220;major&#8221; enough, I was prevented from doing my dissertation on him because, well, you know.  But he is a marvelous poet, and fortunately Faber recently put out a new collected poems (the old one wasn&#8217;t actually complete) &#8211; only available, I think, in Canada and the UK, but obtainable online.  I never thought of comparing him to Adam, but it makes a lot of sense &#8211; and they&#8217;re pretty much contemporaries, born just 9 years apart!<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_10327"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 10327 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: mearl</title>
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		<dc:creator>mearl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 23:18:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Annie,

I spent most of the afternoon today with an anthropologist, whose book I’m translating… on the history of nationalist movements in Galicia and the Minho. Together these two provinces, one Spanish the other Portuguese, comprise that corner of Northwest Iberia which is so strange and gorgeous. Galician (the language) is halfway between Portuguese and Castilian. Its resurgence (reinvention) began more or less at the end of the 19th century after a hiatus of hundreds of years. Richard Zenith translated a collection of Galician “cantigas” which date back more or less to the time of the troubadours…but then gradually with the consolidation of the Spanish state, the language entered a period of dormancy, except perhaps at the village level. I love the arcana of my adopted peninsula, but my anthropologist is very high-strung. He has four kids and a short attention span.  

But what a relief to move from ethnography back to poetry. After he left I spent a half hour swimming through the poems you put up. I know Spicer’s work, but not what you published, and I only knew of the existence of Helen Adam. What a revelation, the way she brings Scottish balladry into that 1950’s and 60’s zeitgeist. The effect is both delightful and haunting. I followed Thomas’s link to a wild video where she sings a bizarre funeral song about rats and roaches and Tompkins Square wearing big 3-d glasses with thick black frames, and a floral print dress; it’s filmed in what seems and unbearably dark and cluttered apartment – it’s a glorious performance. 

Do you know W.S. Graham’s work (no one ever talks about him)?

Today, Tuesday, I decided to move on
Although the wind was veering. Better to move
Than have them at my heels, poor friends
I buried earlier under the printed snow.

	( First lines of one of his most famous poems, “Malcolm Mooney’s Land”)

Did people talk about him at all when you were in England.

Martin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Annie,</p>
<p>I spent most of the afternoon today with an anthropologist, whose book I’m translating… on the history of nationalist movements in Galicia and the Minho. Together these two provinces, one Spanish the other Portuguese, comprise that corner of Northwest Iberia which is so strange and gorgeous. Galician (the language) is halfway between Portuguese and Castilian. Its resurgence (reinvention) began more or less at the end of the 19th century after a hiatus of hundreds of years. Richard Zenith translated a collection of Galician “cantigas” which date back more or less to the time of the troubadours…but then gradually with the consolidation of the Spanish state, the language entered a period of dormancy, except perhaps at the village level. I love the arcana of my adopted peninsula, but my anthropologist is very high-strung. He has four kids and a short attention span.  </p>
<p>But what a relief to move from ethnography back to poetry. After he left I spent a half hour swimming through the poems you put up. I know Spicer’s work, but not what you published, and I only knew of the existence of Helen Adam. What a revelation, the way she brings Scottish balladry into that 1950’s and 60’s zeitgeist. The effect is both delightful and haunting. I followed Thomas’s link to a wild video where she sings a bizarre funeral song about rats and roaches and Tompkins Square wearing big 3-d glasses with thick black frames, and a floral print dress; it’s filmed in what seems and unbearably dark and cluttered apartment – it’s a glorious performance. </p>
<p>Do you know W.S. Graham’s work (no one ever talks about him)?</p>
<p>Today, Tuesday, I decided to move on<br />
Although the wind was veering. Better to move<br />
Than have them at my heels, poor friends<br />
I buried earlier under the printed snow.</p>
<p>	( First lines of one of his most famous poems, “Malcolm Mooney’s Land”)</p>
<p>Did people talk about him at all when you were in England.</p>
<p>Martin<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_10297"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 10297 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Catherine Halley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Catherine Halley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 18:38:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Annie. I hadn&#039;t heard of Helen Adam until now. Maybe we can do a piece on her for poetryfoundation.org.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Annie. I hadn&#8217;t heard of Helen Adam until now. Maybe we can do a piece on her for poetryfoundation.org.<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_10284"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 10284 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: john</title>
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		<dc:creator>john</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 07:41:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adam was marvelously featured in that great documentary &quot;Poetry In Motion,&quot; from 1982, by Ron Mann -- I&#039;d love to see that film again (it&#039;s been over 25 years!); will have to track it down -- as I will have to track down her book!  Thanks Annie.

I&#039;ve always found this quote from Duncan&#039;s bio statement at the back of &quot;The New American Poetry&quot; genuinely moving, as well as a paradoxical opening shot of post-modernism -- paradoxical because post-modernism has so often been associated with chronic irony, and Duncan was one of the least ironic of poets.

&quot;In grasping the inspiration of Helen Adam, in admitting her genius, I was able to shake off at last the modern proprieties -- originality, style, currency of language, sensibility and integrity.  I have a great appetite for approval from whatever source, and only the example of this poet who cares nothing for opinions but all for the life of the imagination, for the marvellous that is the grain of living poetry, saves me at times.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adam was marvelously featured in that great documentary &#8220;Poetry In Motion,&#8221; from 1982, by Ron Mann &#8212; I&#8217;d love to see that film again (it&#8217;s been over 25 years!); will have to track it down &#8212; as I will have to track down her book!  Thanks Annie.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve always found this quote from Duncan&#8217;s bio statement at the back of &#8220;The New American Poetry&#8221; genuinely moving, as well as a paradoxical opening shot of post-modernism &#8212; paradoxical because post-modernism has so often been associated with chronic irony, and Duncan was one of the least ironic of poets.</p>
<p>&#8220;In grasping the inspiration of Helen Adam, in admitting her genius, I was able to shake off at last the modern proprieties &#8212; originality, style, currency of language, sensibility and integrity.  I have a great appetite for approval from whatever source, and only the example of this poet who cares nothing for opinions but all for the life of the imagination, for the marvellous that is the grain of living poetry, saves me at times.&#8221;<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_10245"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 10245 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Annie Finch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Annie Finch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 01:22:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Thomas. This is one of the clips on the DVD.  Not a poem in her usual mode; I think I saw her perform it at St. Marks Poetry Project sometime in the 1980s, having no idea at that point who she was.  

By the way, I&#039;ve been wanting to post the text of Don&#039;s citation of the Reader as it appeared on the Poetry Foundation website, since I find it so apt: 

&quot;As eerily powerful as Rossetti’s “Goblin Market,” as polemically anachronistic as Spenser’s “Faerie Queen,” yet as contemporary-sounding as Charles Bernstein, Adam’s fiendish ballads are an off-kilter connection to an ancient poetics that still turns out to have lots of life left in it.&quot;

I love the comparison to Spenser, a poet I have a real fondness for as revealed in the discussion on an earlier thread.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Thomas. This is one of the clips on the DVD.  Not a poem in her usual mode; I think I saw her perform it at St. Marks Poetry Project sometime in the 1980s, having no idea at that point who she was.  </p>
<p>By the way, I&#8217;ve been wanting to post the text of Don&#8217;s citation of the Reader as it appeared on the Poetry Foundation website, since I find it so apt: </p>
<p>&#8220;As eerily powerful as Rossetti’s “Goblin Market,” as polemically anachronistic as Spenser’s “Faerie Queen,” yet as contemporary-sounding as Charles Bernstein, Adam’s fiendish ballads are an off-kilter connection to an ancient poetics that still turns out to have lots of life left in it.&#8221;</p>
<p>I love the comparison to Spenser, a poet I have a real fondness for as revealed in the discussion on an earlier thread.<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_10230"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 10230 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Annie Finch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Annie Finch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 01:06:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, what a hoot. And how cool. Who knew!!!  Makes me think of what some other members of the Berkeley Renaissance might be doing for a living, were they alive now . . . Jack Spicer running medicine lodges . . . Duncan channeling consultation sessions . . .

Seriously, I have done a lot of bodywork and once scheduled a Watsu session I had to cancel.  I&#039;m intrigued by it even more now, especially given the explicit connection made to his poetry, and am looking forward to reading the downloaded book.  Thanks Don!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, what a hoot. And how cool. Who knew!!!  Makes me think of what some other members of the Berkeley Renaissance might be doing for a living, were they alive now . . . Jack Spicer running medicine lodges . . . Duncan channeling consultation sessions . . .</p>
<p>Seriously, I have done a lot of bodywork and once scheduled a Watsu session I had to cancel.  I&#8217;m intrigued by it even more now, especially given the explicit connection made to his poetry, and am looking forward to reading the downloaded book.  Thanks Don!<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_10227"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 10227 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Travis Nichols</title>
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		<dc:creator>Travis Nichols</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 20:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, Don.  That was not exactly what I expected (what&#039;s wrong with the arms in those images? Can they be real?), but I&#039;m grateful nonetheless.  I think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Don.  That was not exactly what I expected (what&#8217;s wrong with the arms in those images? Can they be real?), but I&#8217;m grateful nonetheless.  I think.<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_10186"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 10186 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Don Share</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Share</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 20:10:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Travis and others interested in Harold Dull - click here:

http://www.watsu.com/harold.html

There&#039;s a link to a PDF there which has a selection of his work; you can buy a copy of his collected poems, &lt;i&gt; Finding Ways to Water&lt;/i&gt;, for under 20 bucks here:

http://www.watsu.com/bookdvds.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Travis and others interested in Harold Dull &#8211; click here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.watsu.com/harold.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.watsu.com/harold.html</a></p>
<p>There&#8217;s a link to a PDF there which has a selection of his work; you can buy a copy of his collected poems, <i> Finding Ways to Water</i>, for under 20 bucks here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.watsu.com/bookdvds.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.watsu.com/bookdvds.html</a><br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_10184"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 10184 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: thomas brady</title>
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		<dc:creator>thomas brady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 19:51:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is Helen Adam on youtube:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9b7RhTYUKE</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is Helen Adam on youtube:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9b7RhTYUKE" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9b7RhTYUKE</a><br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_10183"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 10183 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Travis Nichols</title>
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		<dc:creator>Travis Nichols</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 19:28:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Annie.  These were two of my favorite reads of last year.  Pardon a digression, but this seems as good a place as any to ask about an often mentioned member of the Berkeley group whose poems I&#039;ve been trying to track down for a while as yet to no avail: Harold Dull.  Does anyone know where to find his work (besides in the White Rabbit editions I can&#039;t yet afford (selling kidney soon!).  He seems like a fascinating figure, and a Seattleite to boot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Annie.  These were two of my favorite reads of last year.  Pardon a digression, but this seems as good a place as any to ask about an often mentioned member of the Berkeley group whose poems I&#8217;ve been trying to track down for a while as yet to no avail: Harold Dull.  Does anyone know where to find his work (besides in the White Rabbit editions I can&#8217;t yet afford (selling kidney soon!).  He seems like a fascinating figure, and a Seattleite to boot.<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_10181"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 10181 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Dale Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dale Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 19:12:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Annie, thanks for this: both books are essential reading. And they take part in a recent flurry of significant West Coast collections: Joanne Kyger&#039;s About Now (National Poetry Foundation, 2007); Philip Whalen&#039;s Collected Poems (Wesleyan 2007); Robin Blaser&#039;s Holy Forest (UC Press, 2007); The Complete Poems of Kenneth Rexroth (Copper Canyon, 2004); as well as new work by George Stanley and others....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Annie, thanks for this: both books are essential reading. And they take part in a recent flurry of significant West Coast collections: Joanne Kyger&#8217;s About Now (National Poetry Foundation, 2007); Philip Whalen&#8217;s Collected Poems (Wesleyan 2007); Robin Blaser&#8217;s Holy Forest (UC Press, 2007); The Complete Poems of Kenneth Rexroth (Copper Canyon, 2004); as well as new work by George Stanley and others&#8230;.<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_10178"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 10178 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Roberto Planos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roberto Planos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 14:16:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Annie!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Annie!<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_10151"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 10151 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Terreson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terreson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 05:28:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting.  The two of swords is the card of consternation, strife, indecision, and uncertainty.

Terreson</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting.  The two of swords is the card of consternation, strife, indecision, and uncertainty.</p>
<p>Terreson<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_10121"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 10121 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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