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		<title>By: Martin Earl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin Earl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 17:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael J,

Thanks so much for your comment, especially letting me know that my attempt to describe Wright and Luster&#039;s work makes you want to buy the book. That&#039;s very gratifying to hear. I like what you say, as well, about the vernacular. It&#039;s a big issue, and I could (or you could, perhaps) expand on exactly what the term mean to us today. I suspect you&#039;re right, that attempts to consciously use it in poetry (which is necessarily a transformative move) only works when it&#039;s taken up by our most gifted poets. Let&#039;s not forget Dante Alighieri, after all.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael J,</p>
<p>Thanks so much for your comment, especially letting me know that my attempt to describe Wright and Luster&#8217;s work makes you want to buy the book. That&#8217;s very gratifying to hear. I like what you say, as well, about the vernacular. It&#8217;s a big issue, and I could (or you could, perhaps) expand on exactly what the term mean to us today. I suspect you&#8217;re right, that attempts to consciously use it in poetry (which is necessarily a transformative move) only works when it&#8217;s taken up by our most gifted poets. Let&#8217;s not forget Dante Alighieri, after all.</p>
<p>Martin<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_8515"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 8515 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Martin Earl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin Earl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 17:30:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re: Jasper/Bobby

Thanks so much for the suggestions. &lt;i&gt;Trilce&lt;/i&gt; of course is amazing. I haven&#039;t read it in a while and when I went looking for it I could find, but I know it&#039;s somewhere in my shelves. I&#039;ve never read the Genet (thanks for the tip).

I should have said this in the post. There&#039;s a page (the last one in the book) which starts &quot;Why not check it out and lock it down&quot;...it&#039;s and extensive list of prison narrative/prison related books...a very worthwhile compilation

Martin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re: Jasper/Bobby</p>
<p>Thanks so much for the suggestions. <i>Trilce</i> of course is amazing. I haven&#8217;t read it in a while and when I went looking for it I could find, but I know it&#8217;s somewhere in my shelves. I&#8217;ve never read the Genet (thanks for the tip).</p>
<p>I should have said this in the post. There&#8217;s a page (the last one in the book) which starts &#8220;Why not check it out and lock it down&#8221;&#8230;it&#8217;s and extensive list of prison narrative/prison related books&#8230;a very worthwhile compilation</p>
<p>Martin<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_8514"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 8514 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: michael j</title>
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		<dc:creator>michael j</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 07:41:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow.

This was excellent. Your opening made me smile. I am glad you said this.

You remember how inmates used to make license plates? No one talks about it anymore, but inmates make a lot of the products we use &#039;on the outside&#039;. And this is in part why incarceration is such a large industry. It is modern day American slave labor. It is a billion dollar industry. Therefore, it will never go away. Unless there is something done about it by us, the &#039;other&#039; citizens.

Your review is powerful, beyond the opening statements. I felt your adoration and respect for the work, and I appreciate it. This is what poetry should be, beyond classifications. Sure, we can categorize Wright&#039;s work, as it is a natural part of human nature to assign categories and hierarchies. But you assign these tags (Eliot, Whitman, Williams) only to serve the reader of your review, to give them a foothold on something they may know, to tell them this is not exactly what this is, this is an evolved version (not to say the previous poets are somehow less, or devolved) -- it is same, only different, only not the same....

And it is this gelatin like malleability which gives great poetry its foothold, you know? Much like the Luster&#039;s photographs attempt (possibly) to make the statement, although times have changed, incarceration has not, Wright&#039;s poetry will mold to its times years down the road and never truly be &quot;aged&quot;, as &#039;time&#039; itself is unaging (the poem).

No matter the vernacular, I believe. As one tends to think employing certain vernaculars will essentially age a work, I believe this will not be the case.

But I must buy this book now.

When I stop being poor that is. I&#039;m resorting to selling my books at Half-Price books out here in North Texas, just to buy some more books. It&#039;s horrible! To have to sell your babies...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow.</p>
<p>This was excellent. Your opening made me smile. I am glad you said this.</p>
<p>You remember how inmates used to make license plates? No one talks about it anymore, but inmates make a lot of the products we use &#8216;on the outside&#8217;. And this is in part why incarceration is such a large industry. It is modern day American slave labor. It is a billion dollar industry. Therefore, it will never go away. Unless there is something done about it by us, the &#8216;other&#8217; citizens.</p>
<p>Your review is powerful, beyond the opening statements. I felt your adoration and respect for the work, and I appreciate it. This is what poetry should be, beyond classifications. Sure, we can categorize Wright&#8217;s work, as it is a natural part of human nature to assign categories and hierarchies. But you assign these tags (Eliot, Whitman, Williams) only to serve the reader of your review, to give them a foothold on something they may know, to tell them this is not exactly what this is, this is an evolved version (not to say the previous poets are somehow less, or devolved) &#8212; it is same, only different, only not the same&#8230;.</p>
<p>And it is this gelatin like malleability which gives great poetry its foothold, you know? Much like the Luster&#8217;s photographs attempt (possibly) to make the statement, although times have changed, incarceration has not, Wright&#8217;s poetry will mold to its times years down the road and never truly be &#8220;aged&#8221;, as &#8216;time&#8217; itself is unaging (the poem).</p>
<p>No matter the vernacular, I believe. As one tends to think employing certain vernaculars will essentially age a work, I believe this will not be the case.</p>
<p>But I must buy this book now.</p>
<p>When I stop being poor that is. I&#8217;m resorting to selling my books at Half-Price books out here in North Texas, just to buy some more books. It&#8217;s horrible! To have to sell your babies&#8230;<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_8443"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 8443 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Bobby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bobby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 02:20:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;And let’s not forget Oscar Wilde.

Nor E.E. Cummings, whose &lt;em&gt;Enormous Room&lt;/em&gt; I never knew about till I read on it &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.harpers.org/archive/2009/01/hbc-90004172&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;. It&#039;s not verse, but if that stops you, you don&#039;t deserve it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;And let’s not forget Oscar Wilde.</p>
<p>Nor E.E. Cummings, whose <em>Enormous Room</em> I never knew about till I read on it <a href="http://www.harpers.org/archive/2009/01/hbc-90004172" rel="nofollow">here</a>. It&#8217;s not verse, but if that stops you, you don&#8217;t deserve it.<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_8440"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 8440 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Jasper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jasper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 02:02:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Etheridge Knight&#039;s excellent poems, we should of course add, just for starters, Genet&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sptzr.net/Translations/prisoner.htm&quot; title=&quot;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;La condamn&#233;  &#224; mort  &lt;/a&gt; and C&#233;sar Vallejo&#039;s unforgettable &lt;i&gt;Trilce&lt;/i&gt;, one of the best books of poetry of the 20th century, in my opinion. And let&#039;s not forget Oscar Wilde.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Etheridge Knight&#8217;s excellent poems, we should of course add, just for starters, Genet&#8217;s <a href="http://www.sptzr.net/Translations/prisoner.htm" title="" rel="nofollow">La condamn&eacute;  &agrave; mort  </a> and C&eacute;sar Vallejo&#8217;s unforgettable <i>Trilce</i>, one of the best books of poetry of the 20th century, in my opinion. And let&#8217;s not forget Oscar Wilde.<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_8439"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 8439 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Jason Guriel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Guriel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 23:47:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent post -- well, really, it&#039;s a review -- Martin! Thanks for bringing our attention to the book and the images.

PS Your introductory paragraph, about the professional artisans labouring away, could be a post in and of itself!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent post &#8212; well, really, it&#8217;s a review &#8212; Martin! Thanks for bringing our attention to the book and the images.</p>
<p>PS Your introductory paragraph, about the professional artisans labouring away, could be a post in and of itself!<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_8427"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 8427 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Martin Earl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin Earl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 22:21:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thomas,

Excellent of you to lead us to Knight&#039;s poem, a fascinating meditation and very apropos to the present post, since the poem is about the prisoner poet contemplating a wall full of photographs. I&#039;ll take the liberty to cite the first stanza, because like Wright, he hones so close to his subject. There&#039;s absolutely no fat, no sentimentality..

Taped to the wall of my cell are 47 pictures: 47 black
faces: my father, mother, grandmothers (1 dead), grand-
fathers (both dead), brothers, sisters, uncles, aunts,
cousins (1st and 2nd), nieces, and nephews.  They stare
across the space at me sprawling on my bunk.  I know
their dark eyes, they know mine.  I know their style,
they know mine.  I am all of them, they are all of me;
they are farmers, I am a thief, I am me, they are thee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thomas,</p>
<p>Excellent of you to lead us to Knight&#8217;s poem, a fascinating meditation and very apropos to the present post, since the poem is about the prisoner poet contemplating a wall full of photographs. I&#8217;ll take the liberty to cite the first stanza, because like Wright, he hones so close to his subject. There&#8217;s absolutely no fat, no sentimentality..</p>
<p>Taped to the wall of my cell are 47 pictures: 47 black<br />
faces: my father, mother, grandmothers (1 dead), grand-<br />
fathers (both dead), brothers, sisters, uncles, aunts,<br />
cousins (1st and 2nd), nieces, and nephews.  They stare<br />
across the space at me sprawling on my bunk.  I know<br />
their dark eyes, they know mine.  I know their style,<br />
they know mine.  I am all of them, they are all of me;<br />
they are farmers, I am a thief, I am me, they are thee.<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_8420"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 8420 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Martin Earl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin Earl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 22:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kent,

This is an absolutely crucial addition...I beg everyone to follow the link you&#039;ve provided.

Thanks so much,

Martin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kent,</p>
<p>This is an absolutely crucial addition&#8230;I beg everyone to follow the link you&#8217;ve provided.</p>
<p>Thanks so much,</p>
<p>Martin<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_8419"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 8419 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: thomas brady</title>
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		<dc:creator>thomas brady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 17:36:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Martin,

Etheridge Knight (1931-1991) was a good &#039;prison poet.&#039;

His poem, &#039;The Idea of Ancestry,&#039; 

http://www.poets.org/viewmedia.php/prmMID/15410

made it to the Sweet 16 in the March Madness Tourney reported in the &quot;Is it the end of poetry?&quot; thread.

Thomas</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Martin,</p>
<p>Etheridge Knight (1931-1991) was a good &#8216;prison poet.&#8217;</p>
<p>His poem, &#8216;The Idea of Ancestry,&#8217; </p>
<p><a href="http://www.poets.org/viewmedia.php/prmMID/15410" rel="nofollow">http://www.poets.org/viewmedia.php/prmMID/15410</a></p>
<p>made it to the Sweet 16 in the March Madness Tourney reported in the &#8220;Is it the end of poetry?&#8221; thread.</p>
<p>Thomas<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_8408"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 8408 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Kent Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kent Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 14:28:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good to see this excellent post by Martin on one of the great, singular poets of the United States. The following interview has lots of discussion by Wright on the One Big Self project, including some fascinating meditation by her around the matter of its &quot;ethics.&quot; There are additional samples of Deborah Luster&#039;s stunning portraits, as well:
http://jacketmagazine.com/15/cdwright-iv.html

Kent</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good to see this excellent post by Martin on one of the great, singular poets of the United States. The following interview has lots of discussion by Wright on the One Big Self project, including some fascinating meditation by her around the matter of its &#8220;ethics.&#8221; There are additional samples of Deborah Luster&#8217;s stunning portraits, as well:<br />
<a href="http://jacketmagazine.com/15/cdwright-iv.html" rel="nofollow">http://jacketmagazine.com/15/cdwright-iv.html</a></p>
<p>Kent<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_8403"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 8403 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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