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	<title>Comments on: What the Kids Are Reading These Days</title>
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		<title>By: Camille Dungy</title>
		<link>http://www.poetryfoundation.org/harriet/2009/04/what-the-kids-are-reading-these-days/#comment-9885</link>
		<dc:creator>Camille Dungy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 18:10:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Kat, Tim, and Martin, for your comments.  Kat, I remember falling in love with Dickinson in a way similar to how you describe meeting Whitman again.  As students we often make snap judgments about poets based on weak profiles, as if we were internet dating or something as shallow.  It takes a good matchmaker, one who can see beyond the surface to what might foster fundamental attraction, to help us past the early stages of acquaintance into abiding love.  I like to do that for my students, knowing, of course, that what moves one students won&#039;t necessarily interest another.

Yes, Martin, we read all over the map in terms of geography and chronology (and often also genre).  The student who I turned on to Brigid Pegeen Kelly a couple weeks ago read James Wright and Hafiz with me last week.  I suggested that the student to whom I recommended &quot;The Yellow Bicycle&quot; also read some Basho (and I was pleased to learn he already did). Every craft of poetry class I teach has on its reading list at least one book that&#039;s presented as prose.  Eclecticism fosters imagination, I believe.

I&#039;m interested, Martin, in your description of your teacher&#039;s styles.  We all have so many different teachers, don&#039;t we, who approach poetry in so many different ways.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Kat, Tim, and Martin, for your comments.  Kat, I remember falling in love with Dickinson in a way similar to how you describe meeting Whitman again.  As students we often make snap judgments about poets based on weak profiles, as if we were internet dating or something as shallow.  It takes a good matchmaker, one who can see beyond the surface to what might foster fundamental attraction, to help us past the early stages of acquaintance into abiding love.  I like to do that for my students, knowing, of course, that what moves one students won&#8217;t necessarily interest another.</p>
<p>Yes, Martin, we read all over the map in terms of geography and chronology (and often also genre).  The student who I turned on to Brigid Pegeen Kelly a couple weeks ago read James Wright and Hafiz with me last week.  I suggested that the student to whom I recommended &#8220;The Yellow Bicycle&#8221; also read some Basho (and I was pleased to learn he already did). Every craft of poetry class I teach has on its reading list at least one book that&#8217;s presented as prose.  Eclecticism fosters imagination, I believe.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m interested, Martin, in your description of your teacher&#8217;s styles.  We all have so many different teachers, don&#8217;t we, who approach poetry in so many different ways.</p>
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		<title>By: mearl</title>
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		<dc:creator>mearl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 11:50:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Camille,

If I come to San Francisco can an I audit your class? I know the work of a few of these poets, but your list is really quite comprehensive. I love the quote from Harryette Mullen. At any rate, thanks for this lovely accounting of your semester (year?). It makes me realize in a certain way what I&#039;ve missed, far from English language bookstores, out of the loop. I&#039;m going to take your list and see what I can find on-line, start compiling a portfolio of what I don&#039;t know - which is, obviously, more than I do know. 

Actually I never even had this kind of instruction...but there were not as many contemporary poets then. In an undergraduate workshop with James Tate (imagine such a thing - I was very lucky) there was a course list...I still read Louise Glück and Bill Knot, some of the very first contemporary poets I learned about, thanks  to Tate. In my MFA, which I did mostly under John Ashbery&#039;s tutelage it was much more laissez-faire than what you describe and he was rather reticent and not quite as interested in ultra-contemporary poetry. But he introduced me to tons of poets, most memorably Laura Riding, one of my all time favorites. But he&#039;d mostly send us back to either the lost minor poets of modernism, or back to the eighteenth century. He almost duplicates his limid and whispered teaching style in his book Other Traditions (Harvard 2000). 

I&#039;d be curious to know how large your classes are. I can remember one semester when C.K. Williams was filling in for Ashbery, he was teaching at Brooklyn and Columbia at the same time. At Columbia he had about twenty-five. We were five or six at Brooklyn. Williams steered us toward philosophy, theology, essays etc. He talked about poets, but was more interested in prose, at least at the time. I only had him for one semester, but he was huge influence both as teacher and a poet. 

Also, I was wondering if you send your students to previous centuries. Do you give them the old stuff?

And, as a teacher and poet, do you ever get too saturated with poetry? 

Martin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Camille,</p>
<p>If I come to San Francisco can an I audit your class? I know the work of a few of these poets, but your list is really quite comprehensive. I love the quote from Harryette Mullen. At any rate, thanks for this lovely accounting of your semester (year?). It makes me realize in a certain way what I&#8217;ve missed, far from English language bookstores, out of the loop. I&#8217;m going to take your list and see what I can find on-line, start compiling a portfolio of what I don&#8217;t know &#8211; which is, obviously, more than I do know. </p>
<p>Actually I never even had this kind of instruction&#8230;but there were not as many contemporary poets then. In an undergraduate workshop with James Tate (imagine such a thing &#8211; I was very lucky) there was a course list&#8230;I still read Louise Glück and Bill Knot, some of the very first contemporary poets I learned about, thanks  to Tate. In my MFA, which I did mostly under John Ashbery&#8217;s tutelage it was much more laissez-faire than what you describe and he was rather reticent and not quite as interested in ultra-contemporary poetry. But he introduced me to tons of poets, most memorably Laura Riding, one of my all time favorites. But he&#8217;d mostly send us back to either the lost minor poets of modernism, or back to the eighteenth century. He almost duplicates his limid and whispered teaching style in his book Other Traditions (Harvard 2000). </p>
<p>I&#8217;d be curious to know how large your classes are. I can remember one semester when C.K. Williams was filling in for Ashbery, he was teaching at Brooklyn and Columbia at the same time. At Columbia he had about twenty-five. We were five or six at Brooklyn. Williams steered us toward philosophy, theology, essays etc. He talked about poets, but was more interested in prose, at least at the time. I only had him for one semester, but he was huge influence both as teacher and a poet. </p>
<p>Also, I was wondering if you send your students to previous centuries. Do you give them the old stuff?</p>
<p>And, as a teacher and poet, do you ever get too saturated with poetry? </p>
<p>Martin</p>
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		<title>By: Kat Sanders</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kat Sanders</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 01:51:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your article reminds me of how I fell in love with Walt Whitman.  I had heard and read O Captain, My Captain in school a number of times, but then a English teacher in high school strayed away from the normal poems and showed us I Sing The Body Electric.  From that day forward, that is my favorite poem and Whitman is my favorite poet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your article reminds me of how I fell in love with Walt Whitman.  I had heard and read O Captain, My Captain in school a number of times, but then a English teacher in high school strayed away from the normal poems and showed us I Sing The Body Electric.  From that day forward, that is my favorite poem and Whitman is my favorite poet.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Upperton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Upperton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 04:43:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It’s nearly the end of the semester, the time of year when I wonder whether I’ve managed to help anyone at all.&quot; It&#039;s that time, and that feeling, for me as well. After reading your post, I don&#039;t think you need to worry on that score. And thank you for introducing me to some interesting poets I&#039;d never heard of - ones to whom I can now introduce my students, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It’s nearly the end of the semester, the time of year when I wonder whether I’ve managed to help anyone at all.&#8221; It&#8217;s that time, and that feeling, for me as well. After reading your post, I don&#8217;t think you need to worry on that score. And thank you for introducing me to some interesting poets I&#8217;d never heard of &#8211; ones to whom I can now introduce my students, too.</p>
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