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		<title>By: thomas brady</title>
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		<dc:creator>thomas brady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 12:26:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In Memory of Sir Frank Crisp, (Or The Girl Cries In The Attic)

He resigned in the uplifting summer,
The TVs were on, the airports crowded,
Cocaine disfigured the public figures,
Temps were up, as they say,
All the teleprompters agreed
The day of his resignation was a bright clear day.

The radios played Sonny and Cher,
Walter Cronkite&#039;s intonation was good,
The Washington Post glittered in triumph.
The nation was saved.

The self-inflicted conspiracy 
Was kept from the real conspiracy
Hatched in New York City in nineteen sixty five
When George and Patti&#039;s love was blossoming,
(According to Patti their love was &quot;alive&quot;)
Long before George fucked Ringo Starr&#039;s wife 
In a nineteen seventy three haze of brandy and heroin.

Pretty Patti Boyd left Harrison for Clapton
The summer the big resignation happened,
The betrayal by Maureen Starkey the last straw,
Eric begging his best bloke&#039;s wife with poetry,
&quot;Layla,&quot; and three years of sorrow on hellish smack.
Silence invaded the suburbs.
The Beatles were not coming back.
George hated fame, trapped at Friar Park,
Alternating between chanting denial and partying.
&quot;The temptations of the flesh always intervened.&quot;

The loud fucking sounds of John and that woman
In the big bedroom where the coats were
So no one could leave Rubin&#039;s party,
The Upper West Side affair, election eve, 1972,
Yoko standing among the guests all listening
To John&#039;s fucking, O leftwing, O rightwing dick.

You were stoned like us, your guitar survived it all,
The groupies, the drugs, the physical decay,
Nixon; John and Paul bossed you with their poetry,
But Sinatra knew &quot;Something&quot; as a love song would live,
He told this to you personally,
Your wife listening from a proper distance, nervous
From the stares of Sinatra&#039;s short, wide friends.

Patti was with you and got scared
When you visited Haight Ashbery, 
Summer of nineteen sixty seven,
And saw the &quot;spotty youth&quot; and felt the menace
Of the stoned mob crowding around you
Yearning for a song and wisdom...
And that was the end, Patti said,
You and George walking faster, scared.

Poem, receive an honored guest:
Rachel Loden is the best
At putting Nixon into verse,
Singing songs within his hearse.

In the nightmare of bad poetry,
Quit it, Dick, you&#039;re scaring me,
And the living poets prate:
My interview will have to wait.

Intellectual disgrace
Makes this a pretty groovy place;
We are acting as if we know
Where the line is going to go.

Follow, Milhous, follow right,
To the slim, divided night,
Shining up your Quaker shoes,
Let us go and watch the news.

Patti&#039;s hurt; her streaming tears
Will wash away regrets and fears.
Eric cheats as much as George.
O flower!  O strange gorge!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Memory of Sir Frank Crisp, (Or The Girl Cries In The Attic)</p>
<p>He resigned in the uplifting summer,<br />
The TVs were on, the airports crowded,<br />
Cocaine disfigured the public figures,<br />
Temps were up, as they say,<br />
All the teleprompters agreed<br />
The day of his resignation was a bright clear day.</p>
<p>The radios played Sonny and Cher,<br />
Walter Cronkite&#8217;s intonation was good,<br />
The Washington Post glittered in triumph.<br />
The nation was saved.</p>
<p>The self-inflicted conspiracy<br />
Was kept from the real conspiracy<br />
Hatched in New York City in nineteen sixty five<br />
When George and Patti&#8217;s love was blossoming,<br />
(According to Patti their love was &#8220;alive&#8221;)<br />
Long before George fucked Ringo Starr&#8217;s wife<br />
In a nineteen seventy three haze of brandy and heroin.</p>
<p>Pretty Patti Boyd left Harrison for Clapton<br />
The summer the big resignation happened,<br />
The betrayal by Maureen Starkey the last straw,<br />
Eric begging his best bloke&#8217;s wife with poetry,<br />
&#8220;Layla,&#8221; and three years of sorrow on hellish smack.<br />
Silence invaded the suburbs.<br />
The Beatles were not coming back.<br />
George hated fame, trapped at Friar Park,<br />
Alternating between chanting denial and partying.<br />
&#8220;The temptations of the flesh always intervened.&#8221;</p>
<p>The loud fucking sounds of John and that woman<br />
In the big bedroom where the coats were<br />
So no one could leave Rubin&#8217;s party,<br />
The Upper West Side affair, election eve, 1972,<br />
Yoko standing among the guests all listening<br />
To John&#8217;s fucking, O leftwing, O rightwing dick.</p>
<p>You were stoned like us, your guitar survived it all,<br />
The groupies, the drugs, the physical decay,<br />
Nixon; John and Paul bossed you with their poetry,<br />
But Sinatra knew &#8220;Something&#8221; as a love song would live,<br />
He told this to you personally,<br />
Your wife listening from a proper distance, nervous<br />
From the stares of Sinatra&#8217;s short, wide friends.</p>
<p>Patti was with you and got scared<br />
When you visited Haight Ashbery,<br />
Summer of nineteen sixty seven,<br />
And saw the &#8220;spotty youth&#8221; and felt the menace<br />
Of the stoned mob crowding around you<br />
Yearning for a song and wisdom&#8230;<br />
And that was the end, Patti said,<br />
You and George walking faster, scared.</p>
<p>Poem, receive an honored guest:<br />
Rachel Loden is the best<br />
At putting Nixon into verse,<br />
Singing songs within his hearse.</p>
<p>In the nightmare of bad poetry,<br />
Quit it, Dick, you&#8217;re scaring me,<br />
And the living poets prate:<br />
My interview will have to wait.</p>
<p>Intellectual disgrace<br />
Makes this a pretty groovy place;<br />
We are acting as if we know<br />
Where the line is going to go.</p>
<p>Follow, Milhous, follow right,<br />
To the slim, divided night,<br />
Shining up your Quaker shoes,<br />
Let us go and watch the news.</p>
<p>Patti&#8217;s hurt; her streaming tears<br />
Will wash away regrets and fears.<br />
Eric cheats as much as George.<br />
O flower!  O strange gorge!<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_22575"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 22575 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: thomas brady</title>
		<link>http://www.poetryfoundation.org/harriet/2009/08/4632/#comment-22525</link>
		<dc:creator>thomas brady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 23:20:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Can&#039;t take anything seriously from a woman who writes about suicide and frekin kills herself. Sorry&quot;

A New Critic in the making...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Can&#8217;t take anything seriously from a woman who writes about suicide and frekin kills herself. Sorry&#8221;</p>
<p>A New Critic in the making&#8230;<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_22525"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 22525 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: thomas brady</title>
		<link>http://www.poetryfoundation.org/harriet/2009/08/4632/#comment-22523</link>
		<dc:creator>thomas brady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 23:14:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Urbanbaby totally rocks!

&quot;Plath sucks and so do you&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Urbanbaby totally rocks!</p>
<p>&#8220;Plath sucks and so do you&#8221;<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_22523"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 22523 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Rachel Loden</title>
		<link>http://www.poetryfoundation.org/harriet/2009/08/4632/#comment-22511</link>
		<dc:creator>Rachel Loden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 20:34:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don, what a find! That site ought to go immediately into the annals of stupidity. I have dibs on this line, though, from some mute inglorious Milton:

&quot;this is not literature. this is poetry.&quot;

Isn&#039;t that lovely? Perhaps flarf&#039;s raison d&#039;être, if it has one, is our need to come to terms with bright flashing bits of beauty like that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don, what a find! That site ought to go immediately into the annals of stupidity. I have dibs on this line, though, from some mute inglorious Milton:</p>
<p>&#8220;this is not literature. this is poetry.&#8221;</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t that lovely? Perhaps flarf&#8217;s raison d&#8217;être, if it has one, is our need to come to terms with bright flashing bits of beauty like that.<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_22511"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 22511 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Don Share</title>
		<link>http://www.poetryfoundation.org/harriet/2009/08/4632/#comment-22396</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Share</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 18:55:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the poems in the book that caught my eye was...


The Sylvia Plath Story

First, are you our sort of a villain?
Do you wear
Jodhpurs, a codpiece or a crown,
That &lt;i&gt;Meihkampf&lt;/i&gt; look,
Black boots or a riding crop,

Stitches over your heart?  No, no?  Then
How can we cast you in anything?
Stop puling.
Open your head.
Empty?  Ah, empty.  Here is fake blood

To ooze when her teeth snip your cheek
And a cheque with a paltry
Six zeros.
Will you star in it?
It is guaranteed

To send rugged sweater sales soaring
And gas bills
Through the roof.
You chew scenery, it&#039;s an Oscar.
Will you star in it, star in it, star in it?

--

I came across this poem at about the same time I stumbled upon this frightening stuff:

http://www.urbanbaby.com/talk/posts/51120606</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the poems in the book that caught my eye was&#8230;</p>
<p>The Sylvia Plath Story</p>
<p>First, are you our sort of a villain?<br />
Do you wear<br />
Jodhpurs, a codpiece or a crown,<br />
That <i>Meihkampf</i> look,<br />
Black boots or a riding crop,</p>
<p>Stitches over your heart?  No, no?  Then<br />
How can we cast you in anything?<br />
Stop puling.<br />
Open your head.<br />
Empty?  Ah, empty.  Here is fake blood</p>
<p>To ooze when her teeth snip your cheek<br />
And a cheque with a paltry<br />
Six zeros.<br />
Will you star in it?<br />
It is guaranteed</p>
<p>To send rugged sweater sales soaring<br />
And gas bills<br />
Through the roof.<br />
You chew scenery, it&#8217;s an Oscar.<br />
Will you star in it, star in it, star in it?</p>
<p>&#8211;</p>
<p>I came across this poem at about the same time I stumbled upon this frightening stuff:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.urbanbaby.com/talk/posts/51120606" rel="nofollow">http://www.urbanbaby.com/talk/posts/51120606</a><br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_22396"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 22396 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Joel Brouwer</title>
		<link>http://www.poetryfoundation.org/harriet/2009/08/4632/#comment-22265</link>
		<dc:creator>Joel Brouwer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 14:36:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Important works, as we all know, are not funny or cheeky and prefer to parade about pretending that all of literature is not one long cover.&quot;

Beautifully said, Rachel. I think poets are often so obsessed with the &quot;new&quot; of &quot;make it new&quot; that they forget to acknowledge the fact of the &quot;it.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Important works, as we all know, are not funny or cheeky and prefer to parade about pretending that all of literature is not one long cover.&#8221;</p>
<p>Beautifully said, Rachel. I think poets are often so obsessed with the &#8220;new&#8221; of &#8220;make it new&#8221; that they forget to acknowledge the fact of the &#8220;it.&#8221;<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_22265"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 22265 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Rachel Loden</title>
		<link>http://www.poetryfoundation.org/harriet/2009/08/4632/#comment-22250</link>
		<dc:creator>Rachel Loden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 07:57:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joel, interesting point about why poetry covers like Kenneth Koch’s are pretty much always seen as comic/parodic. I think it&#039;s so they can be easily dismissed as minor. Important works, as we all know, are not funny or cheeky and prefer to parade about pretending that all of literature is not one long cover. But it is, of course -- and following those traceries, the DNA signatures of those covers-made-new, is what gives close reading so much pleasure. As you&#039;re well aware! Which is why you&#039;re tweaking us in the first place.

I hope &quot;Milhous&quot; becomes something very much other than &quot;Rabbit,&quot; as Steven Fama suggests. It&#039;s meant as both homage and travesty, and fails if it doesn&#039;t convince on each count. If it alternately amuses and annoys the hell out of the ghost of Wallace Stevens, I&#039;ll be very happy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joel, interesting point about why poetry covers like Kenneth Koch’s are pretty much always seen as comic/parodic. I think it&#8217;s so they can be easily dismissed as minor. Important works, as we all know, are not funny or cheeky and prefer to parade about pretending that all of literature is not one long cover. But it is, of course &#8212; and following those traceries, the DNA signatures of those covers-made-new, is what gives close reading so much pleasure. As you&#8217;re well aware! Which is why you&#8217;re tweaking us in the first place.</p>
<p>I hope &#8220;Milhous&#8221; becomes something very much other than &#8220;Rabbit,&#8221; as Steven Fama suggests. It&#8217;s meant as both homage and travesty, and fails if it doesn&#8217;t convince on each count. If it alternately amuses and annoys the hell out of the ghost of Wallace Stevens, I&#8217;ll be very happy.<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_22250"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 22250 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Joel Brouwer</title>
		<link>http://www.poetryfoundation.org/harriet/2009/08/4632/#comment-22235</link>
		<dc:creator>Joel Brouwer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 03:02:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh Steven. I&#039;m not going to be able to get this out of my head for WEEKS. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BnfhNNaFgQ</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh Steven. I&#8217;m not going to be able to get this out of my head for WEEKS. <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BnfhNNaFgQ" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BnfhNNaFgQ</a><br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_22235"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 22235 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Steven Fama</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven Fama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 02:57:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joel, that seems like a good question about differing perceptions of covers by musicians versus those by writers.  Well, let me re-phrase that: it *is* a good question, but I don&#039;t think there situations are similar. 

The musical cover uses the essential constituent parts -- the same words, the same notes -- but runs those things through a different performer&#039;s style or approach.  For example, there&#039;s Merle Haggard&#039;s &quot;Mama Tried,&quot; and then there&#039;s the Dead&#039;s version.  The latter is an interpretation.  Garcia and the boys didn&#039;t re-write the words or basic structure of the song (maybe transposed it to a friendlier key, punched up the rhythm here and there, etc.) so it&#039;s different from what Loden did here, I think.     

The analog would be Loden reading aloud the exact same words of Wallace Steven&#039;s poem, in the Loden reading style. That&#039;d be a cover. 

The poetic re-use of a text, with a change of the actual constituent parts (the words), almost always is going to have or raise the question of a parodic or comic effect just because there&#039;s a difference between the remembered original and the new, substituted words.  It sort of works like a pun except without the homonym-istic (is that a word?) overtones.

There is an analog to what Loden did here that maybe can be pointed to in music: &quot;cover&quot; songs that change the words.  The far-end of that spectrum is somebody like Weird Al, who had a bit of fame when he took Michael Jackson&#039;s &quot;Beat It&quot; and made it &quot;Eat It&quot; or took the Knack&#039;s &quot;My Sharona&quot; and if I remember right made it &quot;My Bologna.&quot;   Those were pretty simple (but fun!) and any comparison to what Loden actually did in her poem here really is silly. 

A remarkable thing about this particular Loden poem is how convincingly it becomes something other than a parody, despite the natural tendency to see or hear that given the borrowing of another&#039;s work and substituting in new words.   

Maybe more remarkable in that way, if only because the poem is so much better known, is her &quot;take&quot; on Creeley&#039;s &quot;I Know A Man.&quot;  This too in &lt;i&gt;Dick of the Dead&lt;/i&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joel, that seems like a good question about differing perceptions of covers by musicians versus those by writers.  Well, let me re-phrase that: it *is* a good question, but I don&#8217;t think there situations are similar. </p>
<p>The musical cover uses the essential constituent parts &#8212; the same words, the same notes &#8212; but runs those things through a different performer&#8217;s style or approach.  For example, there&#8217;s Merle Haggard&#8217;s &#8220;Mama Tried,&#8221; and then there&#8217;s the Dead&#8217;s version.  The latter is an interpretation.  Garcia and the boys didn&#8217;t re-write the words or basic structure of the song (maybe transposed it to a friendlier key, punched up the rhythm here and there, etc.) so it&#8217;s different from what Loden did here, I think.     </p>
<p>The analog would be Loden reading aloud the exact same words of Wallace Steven&#8217;s poem, in the Loden reading style. That&#8217;d be a cover. </p>
<p>The poetic re-use of a text, with a change of the actual constituent parts (the words), almost always is going to have or raise the question of a parodic or comic effect just because there&#8217;s a difference between the remembered original and the new, substituted words.  It sort of works like a pun except without the homonym-istic (is that a word?) overtones.</p>
<p>There is an analog to what Loden did here that maybe can be pointed to in music: &#8220;cover&#8221; songs that change the words.  The far-end of that spectrum is somebody like Weird Al, who had a bit of fame when he took Michael Jackson&#8217;s &#8220;Beat It&#8221; and made it &#8220;Eat It&#8221; or took the Knack&#8217;s &#8220;My Sharona&#8221; and if I remember right made it &#8220;My Bologna.&#8221;   Those were pretty simple (but fun!) and any comparison to what Loden actually did in her poem here really is silly. </p>
<p>A remarkable thing about this particular Loden poem is how convincingly it becomes something other than a parody, despite the natural tendency to see or hear that given the borrowing of another&#8217;s work and substituting in new words.   </p>
<p>Maybe more remarkable in that way, if only because the poem is so much better known, is her &#8220;take&#8221; on Creeley&#8217;s &#8220;I Know A Man.&#8221;  This too in <i>Dick of the Dead</i>.<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_22234"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 22234 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Gary B. Fitzgerald</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary B. Fitzgerald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 00:17:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since we&#039;re channeling the dead, let&#039;s at least try for Blake or Yeats. They were actually into this stuff..and much better poets!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since we&#8217;re channeling the dead, let&#8217;s at least try for Blake or Yeats. They were actually into this stuff..and much better poets!<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_22220"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 22220 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Joel Brouwer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel Brouwer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 23:28:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wallace! Please PM me. I need to send you these photos; I don&#039;t want them in the house any more.</description>
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		<title>By: Joel Brouwer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel Brouwer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 22:15:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great ideas, Steven, thanks. You&#039;ve gotten me thinking about how when one musician covers another&#039;s song, we judge the results seriously (does it honor the original yet stand alone, etc.), and ditto with filmmakers (I love both Cape Fears) and even -- stretching it a bit -- fiction writers (Robinson Crusoe / Tournier’s Friday, or Jane Eyre / Wide Sargasso Sea, or (a fave) Babel&#039;s &quot;Guy de Maupassant&quot;), but poetry &quot;covers,&quot; like Kenneth Koch&#039;s, are pretty much always seen as comic/parodic, aren&#039;t they? Whyzat, I wonder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great ideas, Steven, thanks. You&#8217;ve gotten me thinking about how when one musician covers another&#8217;s song, we judge the results seriously (does it honor the original yet stand alone, etc.), and ditto with filmmakers (I love both Cape Fears) and even &#8212; stretching it a bit &#8212; fiction writers (Robinson Crusoe / Tournier’s Friday, or Jane Eyre / Wide Sargasso Sea, or (a fave) Babel&#8217;s &#8220;Guy de Maupassant&#8221;), but poetry &#8220;covers,&#8221; like Kenneth Koch&#8217;s, are pretty much always seen as comic/parodic, aren&#8217;t they? Whyzat, I wonder.<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_22212"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 22212 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Joel Brouwer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel Brouwer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 21:57:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt, Does this mean you&#039;re *not* forgiving my pedantry?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt, Does this mean you&#8217;re *not* forgiving my pedantry?<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_22208"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 22208 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Steven Fama</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven Fama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 20:24:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And there&#039;s more!

I must further say that in addition to Loden&#039;s poem having inherently parodic elements, it is AT THE EXACT SAME TIME, 

an homage to Stevens&#039; poem as well . . .</description>
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<p>I must further say that in addition to Loden&#8217;s poem having inherently parodic elements, it is AT THE EXACT SAME TIME, </p>
<p>an homage to Stevens&#8217; poem as well . . .<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_22206"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 22206 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Steven Fama</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven Fama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 18:58:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I maybe should have said that &quot;Milhous&quot; is  &quot;not simply&quot; a parody of &quot;Rabbit,&quot; or, better yet, is &quot;not primarily&quot; a parody.  I amend what I wrote above because of course by using the structure, progression, and certain phrases from Stevens&#039; poem, there&#039;s just naturally a parodic element to Loden&#039;s work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I maybe should have said that &#8220;Milhous&#8221; is  &#8220;not simply&#8221; a parody of &#8220;Rabbit,&#8221; or, better yet, is &#8220;not primarily&#8221; a parody.  I amend what I wrote above because of course by using the structure, progression, and certain phrases from Stevens&#8217; poem, there&#8217;s just naturally a parodic element to Loden&#8217;s work.<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_22202"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 22202 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Steven Fama</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven Fama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 18:50:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Among several wonderful things about &quot;Milhous&quot; is the way that it is NOT parody of &quot;Rabbit,&quot; even though Loden uses Stevens&#039; structure, image/theme progressions, and even some of the same phrases.

Instead, and this is hard to word-ify -- &quot;Rabbit&quot; as used  really reinforces a key thing in &quot;Milhous.&quot;

Okay, here is something sort of specifc about what I&#039;m thinking.  &quot;Rabbit&quot; is about the self merging, transcendent like, with the world, maybe the poetic slef entering it&#039;s sphere as evening turns to night.  It&#039;s about the loss of self.

&quot;Milhous&quot; ain&#039;t about that at all, but about ol&#039; Nixon becoming totally ego-ized. &quot;Myself&quot; and &quot;me&quot; and the &quot;head like a Rushmore in space.&quot;  

And then there are things that are just fun, like the turn of peaceful August into cruel April, with all the latter connotates to poetry readers.

Thanks for this post, and yes thanks too for the mention of the post about Loden&#039;s recent reading.  

Does that make sense?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Among several wonderful things about &#8220;Milhous&#8221; is the way that it is NOT parody of &#8220;Rabbit,&#8221; even though Loden uses Stevens&#8217; structure, image/theme progressions, and even some of the same phrases.</p>
<p>Instead, and this is hard to word-ify &#8212; &#8220;Rabbit&#8221; as used  really reinforces a key thing in &#8220;Milhous.&#8221;</p>
<p>Okay, here is something sort of specifc about what I&#8217;m thinking.  &#8220;Rabbit&#8221; is about the self merging, transcendent like, with the world, maybe the poetic slef entering it&#8217;s sphere as evening turns to night.  It&#8217;s about the loss of self.</p>
<p>&#8220;Milhous&#8221; ain&#8217;t about that at all, but about ol&#8217; Nixon becoming totally ego-ized. &#8220;Myself&#8221; and &#8220;me&#8221; and the &#8220;head like a Rushmore in space.&#8221;  </p>
<p>And then there are things that are just fun, like the turn of peaceful August into cruel April, with all the latter connotates to poetry readers.</p>
<p>Thanks for this post, and yes thanks too for the mention of the post about Loden&#8217;s recent reading.  </p>
<p>Does that make sense?<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_22199"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 22199 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 15:44:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve known about Nixon&#039;s middle name for at least as long as I&#039;ve been watching the Simpsons, which would be age 7.

I think I even knew about the spelling difference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve known about Nixon&#8217;s middle name for at least as long as I&#8217;ve been watching the Simpsons, which would be age 7.</p>
<p>I think I even knew about the spelling difference.<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_22182"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 22182 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Wallace Stevens</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wallace Stevens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 15:27:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll thank you to kindly cease and desist from re-publishing my work without permission or attribution. You are a gallery of crooks and roustabouts. I&#039;ll have nothing to do with the lot of you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll thank you to kindly cease and desist from re-publishing my work without permission or attribution. You are a gallery of crooks and roustabouts. I&#8217;ll have nothing to do with the lot of you.<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_22176"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 22176 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Kent Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kent Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 00:10:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, to clarify:

When I said &quot;That [Rachel Loden] has chosen to appear in public after all these years is really quite an event,&quot; I was thinking of this:

http://stevenfama.blogspot.com/2009/08/reading-report.html

Kent</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, to clarify:</p>
<p>When I said &#8220;That [Rachel Loden] has chosen to appear in public after all these years is really quite an event,&#8221; I was thinking of this:</p>
<p><a href="http://stevenfama.blogspot.com/2009/08/reading-report.html" rel="nofollow">http://stevenfama.blogspot.com/2009/08/reading-report.html</a></p>
<p>Kent<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_22066"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 22066 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Kent Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kent Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 23:45:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rachel Loden is spectacular. That she has chosen to appear in public after all these years is really quite an event. Because her work is really an event.

Here is an interview I did with her a couple years or three back, &quot;Poetic License and the Powers That Be: Rachel Loden.&quot;

http://jacketmagazine.com/21/loden-iv.html

I had her latest book and my son stole it in June and took it to Chicago.

Kent</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rachel Loden is spectacular. That she has chosen to appear in public after all these years is really quite an event. Because her work is really an event.</p>
<p>Here is an interview I did with her a couple years or three back, &#8220;Poetic License and the Powers That Be: Rachel Loden.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://jacketmagazine.com/21/loden-iv.html" rel="nofollow">http://jacketmagazine.com/21/loden-iv.html</a></p>
<p>I had her latest book and my son stole it in June and took it to Chicago.</p>
<p>Kent<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_22062"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 22062 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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