Comments on: Measure for Measure http://www.poetryfoundation.org/harriet/2009/09/measure-for-measure/ Thu, 12 Jan 2012 08:40:04 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Kent Johnson http://www.poetryfoundation.org/harriet/2009/09/measure-for-measure/#comment-25168 Kent Johnson Fri, 11 Sep 2009 15:35:50 +0000 http://www.poetryfoundation.org/harriet/?p=5032#comment-25168 Rosie Schaap's essay was a featured link at Harper's online yesterday, September 10. http://www.harpers.org/ Right below it, there is the same for my article on "The New Chicago School" of poetry, which I thought some here at Harriet might be interested in reading. The excerpt and link at Harper's takes you to Digital Emunction blog, where there is also some interesting discussion under the post (including an angry charge that my essay is plagiarized!). Kent Rosie Schaap’s essay was a featured link at Harper’s online yesterday, September 10.
http://www.harpers.org/

Right below it, there is the same for my article on “The New Chicago School” of poetry, which I thought some here at Harriet might be interested in reading. The excerpt and link at Harper’s takes you to Digital Emunction blog, where there is also some interesting discussion under the post (including an angry charge that my essay is plagiarized!).

Kent
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]]> By: Richard Epstein http://www.poetryfoundation.org/harriet/2009/09/measure-for-measure/#comment-25164 Richard Epstein Thu, 10 Sep 2009 23:49:39 +0000 http://www.poetryfoundation.org/harriet/?p=5032#comment-25164 I don't think the history is much of a secret. Auden first decided that "or" was untruthful and changed the word to "and." He then decided that the poem could not be made honest, not by his standards, and stopped including it in collections and anthologies. Mendelson defends Auden's decision, saying that the tenor of the conclusion was weak and false and inept. Posterity, the only voice which matters, seems to be deciding otherwise. RHE I don’t think the history is much of a secret. Auden first decided that “or” was untruthful and changed the word to “and.” He then decided that the poem could not be made honest, not by his standards, and stopped including it in collections and anthologies. Mendelson defends Auden’s decision, saying that the tenor of the conclusion was weak and false and inept. Posterity, the only voice which matters, seems to be deciding otherwise.

RHE
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]]> By: Tim Upperton http://www.poetryfoundation.org/harriet/2009/09/measure-for-measure/#comment-25163 Tim Upperton Thu, 10 Sep 2009 21:10:44 +0000 http://www.poetryfoundation.org/harriet/?p=5032#comment-25163 I think he disowned the conjunction in the quoted line. I think he disowned the conjunction in the quoted line.
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]]> By: Patricia Neilson http://www.poetryfoundation.org/harriet/2009/09/measure-for-measure/#comment-25160 Patricia Neilson Thu, 10 Sep 2009 18:24:26 +0000 http://www.poetryfoundation.org/harriet/?p=5032#comment-25160 Didn't Auden disown that poem? Didn’t Auden disown that poem?
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]]> By: Richard Epstein http://www.poetryfoundation.org/harriet/2009/09/measure-for-measure/#comment-25151 Richard Epstein Thu, 10 Sep 2009 11:13:50 +0000 http://www.poetryfoundation.org/harriet/?p=5032#comment-25151 "No, Sir, claret is the liquor for boys; port, for men; but he who aspires to be a hero (smiling) must drink brandy." --Johnson “No, Sir, claret is the liquor for boys; port, for men; but he who aspires to be a hero (smiling) must drink brandy.”
–Johnson
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]]> By: John Oliver Simon http://www.poetryfoundation.org/harriet/2009/09/measure-for-measure/#comment-25143 John Oliver Simon Thu, 10 Sep 2009 02:15:50 +0000 http://www.poetryfoundation.org/harriet/?p=5032#comment-25143 To echo Kent's wonderful refrain, I once met W.H. Auden. He was given an honorary degree at my alma mater, Swarthmore College, when I graduated in June, 1964. Since it was the college's centennial year, they were handing out honoraries left and right — U Thant, the current UN Secretary General, got one; I don't remember who all else. It would have been interesting to hear what WHA might have had to say, but the commencement address was delivered by the biggest star on hand, President Lyndon B. Johnson, paying platitudinous tribute in his esrtwhile role as the peace candidate vis-a-vis Barry Goldwater to the college's Quaker heritage. I was introduced as the senior class poet and shook Auden's hand, like soft worn leather. His face was intricately wrinkled, a map of the century. I am older now than he was then. We must love one another or die. To echo Kent’s wonderful refrain, I once met W.H. Auden. He was given an honorary degree at my alma mater, Swarthmore College, when I graduated in June, 1964. Since it was the college’s centennial year, they were handing out honoraries left and right — U Thant, the current UN Secretary General, got one; I don’t remember who all else. It would have been interesting to hear what WHA might have had to say, but the commencement address was delivered by the biggest star on hand, President Lyndon B. Johnson, paying platitudinous tribute in his esrtwhile role as the peace candidate vis-a-vis Barry Goldwater to the college’s Quaker heritage. I was introduced as the senior class poet and shook Auden’s hand, like soft worn leather. His face was intricately wrinkled, a map of the century. I am older now than he was then. We must love one another or die.
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]]> By: Gary B. Fitzgerald http://www.poetryfoundation.org/harriet/2009/09/measure-for-measure/#comment-25138 Gary B. Fitzgerald Wed, 09 Sep 2009 23:30:36 +0000 http://www.poetryfoundation.org/harriet/?p=5032#comment-25138 I always knew Auden was a fraud. Real poets drink whiskey! :-D I always knew Auden was a fraud. Real poets drink whiskey!

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]]> By: Bill http://www.poetryfoundation.org/harriet/2009/09/measure-for-measure/#comment-25137 Bill Wed, 09 Sep 2009 21:52:30 +0000 http://www.poetryfoundation.org/harriet/?p=5032#comment-25137 After a night of Auden martinis, I’ll take whiskey and scrambled eggs. Or maybe hock and soda . . . After a night of Auden martinis, I’ll take whiskey and scrambled eggs. Or maybe hock and soda . . .
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]]> By: Jack http://www.poetryfoundation.org/harriet/2009/09/measure-for-measure/#comment-25136 Jack Wed, 09 Sep 2009 21:50:51 +0000 http://www.poetryfoundation.org/harriet/?p=5032#comment-25136 Auden hits the spot! I would be interested if you took this story further with more poets / writers and their fave drinks! Auden hits the spot! I would be interested if you took this story further with more poets / writers and their fave drinks!
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