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		<title>By: sassjemleon</title>
		<link>http://www.poetryfoundation.org/harriet/2009/10/making-room-for-poetry/#comment-25745</link>
		<dc:creator>sassjemleon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 19:04:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>within the last few years, my children have taken standardized tests in new jersey. there have been sections on these njask tests which require reading and responding to poetry in an intelligent and thoughtful manner (see link below for poem by jill essbaum). 

generally speaking, my kids, who performed well in just about every other section of the njask test, always performed poorly on these poetry questions, and said, dad, &quot;poetry&#039;s hard.&quot; no other subject, to my elementary school children, was ever &quot;hard.&quot; 

i had to wonder how much time the teachers actually spent preparing my children for the poetry questions, or did the teachers just blow off teaching poetry because nobody really cares how kids perform on the poetry section of the test? you could do pretty crappy in the poetry section and still score very well on the overall test. 

http://www.state.nj.us/education/assessment/es/sample/NJ-LAL_sample.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>within the last few years, my children have taken standardized tests in new jersey. there have been sections on these njask tests which require reading and responding to poetry in an intelligent and thoughtful manner (see link below for poem by jill essbaum). </p>
<p>generally speaking, my kids, who performed well in just about every other section of the njask test, always performed poorly on these poetry questions, and said, dad, &#8220;poetry&#8217;s hard.&#8221; no other subject, to my elementary school children, was ever &#8220;hard.&#8221; </p>
<p>i had to wonder how much time the teachers actually spent preparing my children for the poetry questions, or did the teachers just blow off teaching poetry because nobody really cares how kids perform on the poetry section of the test? you could do pretty crappy in the poetry section and still score very well on the overall test. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.state.nj.us/education/assessment/es/sample/NJ-LAL_sample.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.state.nj.us/education/assessment/es/sample/NJ-LAL_sample.pdf</a><br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_25745"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 25745 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 18:26:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops, sorry, I clicked the wrong reply button. My above post was in response to the article (not Terreson).</description>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 18:17:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One bad teacher can wreck many people. I&#039;ve seen it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One bad teacher can wreck many people. I&#8217;ve seen it.<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_25716"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 25716 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Terreson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terreson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 17:23:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My hat is off to all teachers, high school teachers maybe the most, who manage to do that increasingly subversive thing of inciting in their students a passionate appreciation of poetry.  

Terreson</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My hat is off to all teachers, high school teachers maybe the most, who manage to do that increasingly subversive thing of inciting in their students a passionate appreciation of poetry.  </p>
<p>Terreson<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_25715"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 25715 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Riva Nathans</title>
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		<dc:creator>Riva Nathans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 04:41:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Glen: Yes!  Let be be finale of seem / The only emperor is the emperor of ice-cream.</description>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 21:41:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think school ruins poetry for many people. What my teachers knew about poetry could be written on the back of a postage stamp.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think school ruins poetry for many people. What my teachers knew about poetry could be written on the back of a postage stamp.<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_25699"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 25699 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Glen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 19:04:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The solution to the Poetry Problem at my high school was to use poems with esoteric vocabulary to help with SAT prep.  So there was very little enjoyment there, though I did learn what concupiscence means (thanks, Wallace Stevens!).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The solution to the Poetry Problem at my high school was to use poems with esoteric vocabulary to help with SAT prep.  So there was very little enjoyment there, though I did learn what concupiscence means (thanks, Wallace Stevens!).<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_25698"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 25698 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: John Oliver Simon</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Oliver Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 16:46:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And those of us who have made a precarious career out of teaching poetry in the schools (in my case since 1971), now find, as the schools don&#039;t even know how much money they don&#039;t have with draconian cuts imposed by recession funding, that writers in elementary, middle and high school classes are the first to go. Seventh-grader Uriel Bravo writes:

An undiscovered world,
a locked chest full of rage,
empty thoughts,
an animal in a cage,
time rushing,
black, impenetrable fog,
a raft on a river,
paying no attention to my steps,
a silent mask,
all these in a melting pot —
my life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And those of us who have made a precarious career out of teaching poetry in the schools (in my case since 1971), now find, as the schools don&#8217;t even know how much money they don&#8217;t have with draconian cuts imposed by recession funding, that writers in elementary, middle and high school classes are the first to go. Seventh-grader Uriel Bravo writes:</p>
<p>An undiscovered world,<br />
a locked chest full of rage,<br />
empty thoughts,<br />
an animal in a cage,<br />
time rushing,<br />
black, impenetrable fog,<br />
a raft on a river,<br />
paying no attention to my steps,<br />
a silent mask,<br />
all these in a melting pot —<br />
my life.<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_25693"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 25693 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Jim Murdoch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Murdoch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 15:21:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think a part of the problem too is that many teachers were not taught poetry well themselves and so they struggle to impart what they have only a tenuous grasp on themselves. I was educated in Scotland in the sixties and seventies but I always felt that my teachers had a very by-the-numbers approach to poetry. What I learned proved a bedrock and I&#039;m grateful for it but then I was receptive and desperate to learn no matter how lacklustre the teacher&#039;s performance. That was not true for the majority of my classmates who derided the subject. And I wonder if any of them went on to teach English?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think a part of the problem too is that many teachers were not taught poetry well themselves and so they struggle to impart what they have only a tenuous grasp on themselves. I was educated in Scotland in the sixties and seventies but I always felt that my teachers had a very by-the-numbers approach to poetry. What I learned proved a bedrock and I&#8217;m grateful for it but then I was receptive and desperate to learn no matter how lacklustre the teacher&#8217;s performance. That was not true for the majority of my classmates who derided the subject. And I wonder if any of them went on to teach English?<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_25691"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 25691 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Marty Elwell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marty Elwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 15:18:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was looking through books on the shelf for English 101 through 600 Level English classes at Purdue this week.  I was surprised to see how little poetry was required.  There were plenty of texts, that I know from my own college experience, that could have been skipped in favor of good poetry.  It&#039;s not just high school.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was looking through books on the shelf for English 101 through 600 Level English classes at Purdue this week.  I was surprised to see how little poetry was required.  There were plenty of texts, that I know from my own college experience, that could have been skipped in favor of good poetry.  It&#8217;s not just high school.<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_25689"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 25689 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Riva Nathans</title>
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		<dc:creator>Riva Nathans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 07:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sometimes, a school English department manages to do poetry justice.

I was fortunate to go to a high school that devoted a trimester of freshman year (taught by someone who did not shy from wading through Wallace Stevens with kids just out of middle school), the majority of the sophomore year English literature survey, and a trimester of the AP sequence to poetry, offered focused elective courses like &quot;Ted and Sylvia,&quot; and occasionally brought professional poets to give workshops.

Of course we found time to read Shakespeare, Sophocles, Hemingway, Faulkner, Austen, Dostoevsky, Beckett, etc.  But the lines that still kick around in my head from then are &quot;Let us go then, you and I, / When the evening is spread out against the sky / Like a patient etherised upon a table&quot; (that one is also still chalked somewhere on the inner wall of the clock tower...); &quot;A car radio bleats, / &#039;Love, O careless Love . . .&#039; I hear / my ill-spirit sob in each blood cell&quot;; &quot;Next, confession - the dreary part. / At night deer drift from the dark woods and eat my garden. / They&#039;re like enormous rats on stilts except, of course, / they&#039;re beautiful. But why? What makes them beautiful?&quot;; &quot;Blessed rage for order, pale Ramon, / The maker&#039;s rage to order words of the sea, / Words of the fragrant portals, dimly-starred, / And of ourselves and of our origins, / In ghostlier demarcations, keener sounds.&quot;; &quot;And if these things, as being thine by right, / Move not thy heavy grace&quot;; &quot;And any chair / that’s empty here, / that’s someone / who is dying: / Find him.&quot;

I remember an injunction, in a workshop (Martin Lammon&#039;s, I think), to dig for meaty Germanic diction, and the concept of &quot;syntactic gaps,&quot; the space between two adjacently stated ideas without an explicit transition: a pun on &quot;synaptic gaps,&quot; the space between neurons that signals have to leap.

And I remember when a group of us who spent our free periods in a certain hallway were temporarily kicked out for leaving it messy.  People protested by taping up a copy of &quot;The Death of the Hired Man&quot; with highlighter on “Home is the place where, when you have to go there, / They have to take you in. / I should have called it / Something you somehow haven’t to deserve.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sometimes, a school English department manages to do poetry justice.</p>
<p>I was fortunate to go to a high school that devoted a trimester of freshman year (taught by someone who did not shy from wading through Wallace Stevens with kids just out of middle school), the majority of the sophomore year English literature survey, and a trimester of the AP sequence to poetry, offered focused elective courses like &#8220;Ted and Sylvia,&#8221; and occasionally brought professional poets to give workshops.</p>
<p>Of course we found time to read Shakespeare, Sophocles, Hemingway, Faulkner, Austen, Dostoevsky, Beckett, etc.  But the lines that still kick around in my head from then are &#8220;Let us go then, you and I, / When the evening is spread out against the sky / Like a patient etherised upon a table&#8221; (that one is also still chalked somewhere on the inner wall of the clock tower&#8230;); &#8220;A car radio bleats, / &#8216;Love, O careless Love . . .&#8217; I hear / my ill-spirit sob in each blood cell&#8221;; &#8220;Next, confession &#8211; the dreary part. / At night deer drift from the dark woods and eat my garden. / They&#8217;re like enormous rats on stilts except, of course, / they&#8217;re beautiful. But why? What makes them beautiful?&#8221;; &#8220;Blessed rage for order, pale Ramon, / The maker&#8217;s rage to order words of the sea, / Words of the fragrant portals, dimly-starred, / And of ourselves and of our origins, / In ghostlier demarcations, keener sounds.&#8221;; &#8220;And if these things, as being thine by right, / Move not thy heavy grace&#8221;; &#8220;And any chair / that’s empty here, / that’s someone / who is dying: / Find him.&#8221;</p>
<p>I remember an injunction, in a workshop (Martin Lammon&#8217;s, I think), to dig for meaty Germanic diction, and the concept of &#8220;syntactic gaps,&#8221; the space between two adjacently stated ideas without an explicit transition: a pun on &#8220;synaptic gaps,&#8221; the space between neurons that signals have to leap.</p>
<p>And I remember when a group of us who spent our free periods in a certain hallway were temporarily kicked out for leaving it messy.  People protested by taping up a copy of &#8220;The Death of the Hired Man&#8221; with highlighter on “Home is the place where, when you have to go there, / They have to take you in. / I should have called it / Something you somehow haven’t to deserve.&#8221;<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_25682"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 25682 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Duncan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Duncan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 06:57:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are some things a teacher has to believe are important beyond the demands of the curriculum. I tell my students I&#039;m a poet disguised as a high school teacher, and we take things from there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are some things a teacher has to believe are important beyond the demands of the curriculum. I tell my students I&#8217;m a poet disguised as a high school teacher, and we take things from there.<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_25680"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 25680 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Paul Belbusti</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Belbusti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 02:52:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>there isn’t enough time to not read poetry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>there isn’t enough time to not read poetry.<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_25676"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 25676 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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