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	<title>Comments on: Poetry Noir</title>
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		<title>By: metin sahin</title>
		<link>http://www.poetryfoundation.org/harriet/2009/10/poetry-noir/#comment-26234</link>
		<dc:creator>metin sahin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 15:57:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pleade write metişn sahin the poet on google and read my poems black or white.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pleade write metişn sahin the poet on google and read my poems black or white.</p>
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		<title>By: Jessie Carty</title>
		<link>http://www.poetryfoundation.org/harriet/2009/10/poetry-noir/#comment-26149</link>
		<dc:creator>Jessie Carty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 00:26:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great exercise and result :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great exercise and result <img src='http://www.poetryfoundation.org/harriet/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Mariana Larrazabal</title>
		<link>http://www.poetryfoundation.org/harriet/2009/10/poetry-noir/#comment-26131</link>
		<dc:creator>Mariana Larrazabal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 23:56:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its almost unbelievable that a  high school student could have come up with such a descriptive environment.  I think is absolutely wonderful.  Congratulations</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its almost unbelievable that a  high school student could have come up with such a descriptive environment.  I think is absolutely wonderful.  Congratulations</p>
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		<title>By: Terreson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terreson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 01:33:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been trying to decide if the blog is worth the post investment.  I&#039;ve decided it is.

Rather than pointing a so-called poet noir to a film, what is almost always an artificial manufacture of Hollywood operating in cliches, I would be more inclined to point the poet to the story behind the film.  Dashiell Hammett for example.  His Sam Spade regularly predicated a story&#039;s denouement on intense dialogue, in which moments Spade was less the tough guy working in Cliff Eastwood type one liners and more the interlocuter.  A Hammett novel has always put me in mind of a tragedy written by Sophocles: there action gets carried in dialogue.

Then there is Raymond Chandler, another creator, mostly by default, of Hollywood&#039;s film noir.  I had read most of his novels, many of his short stories, his classic essay on detective fiction, then by chance I came upon his poetry written before he emmigrated to America from England.  This was key.  I got he was Georgian (as in Edward Marsh&#039;s group) in his poetic inclinations and agriculturally-centric.  I figure his move to California with his mother was traumatic, environmentally traumatic.  And I figure his penchant for description and mood painting imprinted all of his novels.  Name me one Hollywood production of a Chandler story that brings out Chandler&#039;s many descriptors of environment.

Since the movie &quot;Double Indimnenty&quot; has been exampled I got one more example to cite of Hollywood&#039;s bastardization of lit.  I had read Cain&#039;s novel before I finally got around to seeing a replay of the movie.  I was blown away by the travesty.  It is a bad movie trading on a great story.  (I figure that Caine was the best of the bunch.)  I guess I also figure that any poet looking to model herself or himself on Hollywood cliches is screwed from the start.

Terreson</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been trying to decide if the blog is worth the post investment.  I&#8217;ve decided it is.</p>
<p>Rather than pointing a so-called poet noir to a film, what is almost always an artificial manufacture of Hollywood operating in cliches, I would be more inclined to point the poet to the story behind the film.  Dashiell Hammett for example.  His Sam Spade regularly predicated a story&#8217;s denouement on intense dialogue, in which moments Spade was less the tough guy working in Cliff Eastwood type one liners and more the interlocuter.  A Hammett novel has always put me in mind of a tragedy written by Sophocles: there action gets carried in dialogue.</p>
<p>Then there is Raymond Chandler, another creator, mostly by default, of Hollywood&#8217;s film noir.  I had read most of his novels, many of his short stories, his classic essay on detective fiction, then by chance I came upon his poetry written before he emmigrated to America from England.  This was key.  I got he was Georgian (as in Edward Marsh&#8217;s group) in his poetic inclinations and agriculturally-centric.  I figure his move to California with his mother was traumatic, environmentally traumatic.  And I figure his penchant for description and mood painting imprinted all of his novels.  Name me one Hollywood production of a Chandler story that brings out Chandler&#8217;s many descriptors of environment.</p>
<p>Since the movie &#8220;Double Indimnenty&#8221; has been exampled I got one more example to cite of Hollywood&#8217;s bastardization of lit.  I had read Cain&#8217;s novel before I finally got around to seeing a replay of the movie.  I was blown away by the travesty.  It is a bad movie trading on a great story.  (I figure that Caine was the best of the bunch.)  I guess I also figure that any poet looking to model herself or himself on Hollywood cliches is screwed from the start.</p>
<p>Terreson</p>
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		<title>By: anne</title>
		<link>http://www.poetryfoundation.org/harriet/2009/10/poetry-noir/#comment-26106</link>
		<dc:creator>anne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 13:48:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, I love this post &amp; the links. Your students are scary-good--c&#039;mon, John, there&#039;s already enough competition! I&#039;ve had Young&#039;s book on my shelf waiting for that stiletto in the... well, you know.  Jim Tate&#039;s last book is small-town noir, like Lynch or Hitch.Peter Shippy has an outre noir, ALPHAVILLE, an abecedarian riff on Godard&#039;s noir riff: blazevox.org/MIM-shippy.pdf Also, there&#039;s a cool poem by Ben Doyle, &quot;Our Man&quot;--that I like.  I think Ben Doyle has a new name--Doller?--which is pretty noir!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, I love this post &amp; the links. Your students are scary-good&#8211;c&#8217;mon, John, there&#8217;s already enough competition! I&#8217;ve had Young&#8217;s book on my shelf waiting for that stiletto in the&#8230; well, you know.  Jim Tate&#8217;s last book is small-town noir, like Lynch or Hitch.Peter Shippy has an outre noir, ALPHAVILLE, an abecedarian riff on Godard&#8217;s noir riff: blazevox.org/MIM-shippy.pdf Also, there&#8217;s a cool poem by Ben Doyle, &#8220;Our Man&#8221;&#8211;that I like.  I think Ben Doyle has a new name&#8211;Doller?&#8211;which is pretty noir!</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Murciano</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Murciano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 02:21:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heavily atmospheric and yet understated. Filled with moody, gritty imagery that addresses all the senses. One gets the impression that this poem was written by a spectator from that period or at least someone who lived, ate and slept noir.

Well done and Bravo!!! Bravo!!!</description>
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<p>Well done and Bravo!!! Bravo!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Jordan</title>
		<link>http://www.poetryfoundation.org/harriet/2009/10/poetry-noir/#comment-26009</link>
		<dc:creator>Jordan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:36:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael Gizzi&#039;s poems might work with this project too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael Gizzi&#8217;s poems might work with this project too.</p>
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