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		<title>By: Michael Gottlieb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Gottlieb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 01:25:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>God, Eileen - yes, it was so blurry. And as I&#039;ve been writing about those days I think I&#039;ve been including the sex. At least some of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>God, Eileen &#8211; yes, it was so blurry. And as I&#8217;ve been writing about those days I think I&#8217;ve been including the sex. At least some of it.<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_25769"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 25769 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Keeks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keeks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 21:28:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Like when you were being eaten.&quot;

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!! Tears in my eyes. I love you, Eileen Myles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Like when you were being eaten.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!! Tears in my eyes. I love you, Eileen Myles.<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_25767"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 25767 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: EKSwitaj</title>
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		<dc:creator>EKSwitaj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 20:23:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Death is not the only danger. To be forced, by another, to change is a special kind of Hell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Death is not the only danger. To be forced, by another, to change is a special kind of Hell.<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_25748"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 25748 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Terreson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terreson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 17:45:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Matt, for the correction.  It was bugging me in the back of my head somewhere.  What he actually said is better.

Terreson</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Matt, for the correction.  It was bugging me in the back of my head somewhere.  What he actually said is better.</p>
<p>Terreson<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_25741"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 25741 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Rachel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rachel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 23:54:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a Shelley quote I like but don&#039;t begin to live up to:  &quot;A man, to be greatly good, must imagine intensely and comprehensively; he must put himself in the place of another and of many others; the pains and pleasures of his species must become his own.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a Shelley quote I like but don&#8217;t begin to live up to:  &#8220;A man, to be greatly good, must imagine intensely and comprehensively; he must put himself in the place of another and of many others; the pains and pleasures of his species must become his own.&#8221;<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_25733"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 25733 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Edwin Torres</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edwin Torres</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 23:35:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ditto CA, bravery is in short supply these days! I&#039;m sure, Eileen, you are aware of yourself. Maybe the dumbing down mentioned earlier is a reflection of the receiver...but my stereo hasn&#039;t worked in ages!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ditto CA, bravery is in short supply these days! I&#8217;m sure, Eileen, you are aware of yourself. Maybe the dumbing down mentioned earlier is a reflection of the receiver&#8230;but my stereo hasn&#8217;t worked in ages!<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_25732"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 25732 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 21:05:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shelley said poets were the &quot;unacknowledged legislators of the world,&quot; a statement I&#039;ve always thought was silly. Anyway the word &quot;moral&quot; isn&#039;t even there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shelley said poets were the &#8220;unacknowledged legislators of the world,&#8221; a statement I&#8217;ve always thought was silly. Anyway the word &#8220;moral&#8221; isn&#8217;t even there.<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_25731"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 25731 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: CAConrad</title>
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		<dc:creator>CAConrad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 17:47:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Eileen, one of the things I think that&#039;s so important is that YOU are saying this.  I mean, because YOU being YOU, being this amazing writer everyone looks up to takes the risks to say the things you say, it&#039;s the Open Door, it&#039;s a true gift that Open Door.  There&#039;s so much FEAR about saying, and when YOU say the things many people are afraid of saying it&#039;s the way to nothing but more discourse.

And of course I&#039;m completely thrilled by you mentioning The Book of Frank.

YOU show us and give us the space!  I&#039;m grateful for being queer.  Queer has been hard.  But it&#039;s always getting better.  But the real reason I&#039;m grateful for it is because in a way THAT is why I&#039;m a poet, because it&#039;s what I turned to in order to keep on my toes and not fall on my face the way I knew everyone wanted me to.  Being queer got me away from the world where I grew up because in the end I had to leave it, it wasn&#039;t going to let me stay if I wanted to and of course all I wanted was to find a loving home.  The world couldn&#039;t possibly be better if I hadn&#039;t found poetry for being queer.

Kevin Killian says Hart Crane died so faggots could write poems, and I love Kevin for it, and I guess Crane too, even though I&#039;m not as jacked up on Crane as others.

HERE&#039;S TO the bravery you bring back to poetry!  How can we possibly thank you enough for it????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Eileen, one of the things I think that&#8217;s so important is that YOU are saying this.  I mean, because YOU being YOU, being this amazing writer everyone looks up to takes the risks to say the things you say, it&#8217;s the Open Door, it&#8217;s a true gift that Open Door.  There&#8217;s so much FEAR about saying, and when YOU say the things many people are afraid of saying it&#8217;s the way to nothing but more discourse.</p>
<p>And of course I&#8217;m completely thrilled by you mentioning The Book of Frank.</p>
<p>YOU show us and give us the space!  I&#8217;m grateful for being queer.  Queer has been hard.  But it&#8217;s always getting better.  But the real reason I&#8217;m grateful for it is because in a way THAT is why I&#8217;m a poet, because it&#8217;s what I turned to in order to keep on my toes and not fall on my face the way I knew everyone wanted me to.  Being queer got me away from the world where I grew up because in the end I had to leave it, it wasn&#8217;t going to let me stay if I wanted to and of course all I wanted was to find a loving home.  The world couldn&#8217;t possibly be better if I hadn&#8217;t found poetry for being queer.</p>
<p>Kevin Killian says Hart Crane died so faggots could write poems, and I love Kevin for it, and I guess Crane too, even though I&#8217;m not as jacked up on Crane as others.</p>
<p>HERE&#8217;S TO the bravery you bring back to poetry!  How can we possibly thank you enough for it????<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_25730"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 25730 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Gary B. Fitzgerald</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary B. Fitzgerald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 04:22:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;My poems are hymns of praise to the glory of life.&quot;
 
- Edith Sitwell


&quot;A poet must need be before his own age, to be even with posterity.&quot;

- James Russell Lowell</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;My poems are hymns of praise to the glory of life.&#8221;</p>
<p>- Edith Sitwell</p>
<p>&#8220;A poet must need be before his own age, to be even with posterity.&#8221;</p>
<p>- James Russell Lowell<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_25705"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 25705 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Terreson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terreson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 00:57:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been trying to figure out if I want to enter into this argument.  Making queen bees this late in the season is calling for sweat euquity.  Poetry, however, is the thing.

By report ancient Irish Ollaves and ancient Welsh Bards, when they met their peers, would enter into and rapartee  through poetry.  This is the spirit in which I take on GBF&#039;s poetry on a blog.

Upthread someone says that a down thumbing should be taken as a crit of a GBF poem.  I say where is the intelligent response in such an anonymous signal?  And I question again Harriet&#039;s policy of thumbing up or down.  My gut tells me it has led to the dumbing down of conversation.

Also upthread someone has taken GBF to task for being moralistic or for talking down to his poem&#039;s subjects.  So wasn&#039;t it Shelley who said poets were the world&#039;s moral legislators?  Do I remember this right?  And doesn&#039;t everyone else find the Eileen Myles blog to be moralistic, judgemental, and exculionary?  I do.  So why is GBF getting processed this way for a poem he puts out honestly, not posturing in the way so many poets these days do, when the likes of Ms Myles gets sanctioned?

Terreson</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been trying to figure out if I want to enter into this argument.  Making queen bees this late in the season is calling for sweat euquity.  Poetry, however, is the thing.</p>
<p>By report ancient Irish Ollaves and ancient Welsh Bards, when they met their peers, would enter into and rapartee  through poetry.  This is the spirit in which I take on GBF&#8217;s poetry on a blog.</p>
<p>Upthread someone says that a down thumbing should be taken as a crit of a GBF poem.  I say where is the intelligent response in such an anonymous signal?  And I question again Harriet&#8217;s policy of thumbing up or down.  My gut tells me it has led to the dumbing down of conversation.</p>
<p>Also upthread someone has taken GBF to task for being moralistic or for talking down to his poem&#8217;s subjects.  So wasn&#8217;t it Shelley who said poets were the world&#8217;s moral legislators?  Do I remember this right?  And doesn&#8217;t everyone else find the Eileen Myles blog to be moralistic, judgemental, and exculionary?  I do.  So why is GBF getting processed this way for a poem he puts out honestly, not posturing in the way so many poets these days do, when the likes of Ms Myles gets sanctioned?</p>
<p>Terreson<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_25702"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 25702 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Gary B. Fitzgerald</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary B. Fitzgerald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 17:24:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P.S. It was not my intention to offend anyone. I apologize.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.S. It was not my intention to offend anyone. I apologize.<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_25697"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 25697 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Gary B. Fitzgerald</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary B. Fitzgerald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 17:20:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you.<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_25696"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 25696 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 17:06:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This sums it up very well.

I don&#039;t blame you for posting your poems on the internet, Gary. I do it too. There&#039;s just an understanding that when you make something public, people have a right to say anything they want about it. 

There&#039;s an old saying about heat and kitchens that relates to this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This sums it up very well.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t blame you for posting your poems on the internet, Gary. I do it too. There&#8217;s just an understanding that when you make something public, people have a right to say anything they want about it. </p>
<p>There&#8217;s an old saying about heat and kitchens that relates to this.<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_25694"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 25694 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: John Oliver Simon</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Oliver Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 16:40:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t thumb your poem, Gary, but what I don&#039;t like about it is (a) the poet is so much more aware, virtuous and sensitive than the stereotyped folks addressed (b) the images which carry the weight of the ideas are absolutely stock and have no fresh sensory impact and (c) the prosody is blah. To dislike your poem one doesn&#039;t have to vote against the earth. Bracing for rant in return.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t thumb your poem, Gary, but what I don&#8217;t like about it is (a) the poet is so much more aware, virtuous and sensitive than the stereotyped folks addressed (b) the images which carry the weight of the ideas are absolutely stock and have no fresh sensory impact and (c) the prosody is blah. To dislike your poem one doesn&#8217;t have to vote against the earth. Bracing for rant in return.<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_25692"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 25692 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Gary B. Fitzgerald</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary B. Fitzgerald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 15:18:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay...fair enough. I&#039;ll bite. Why wouldn&#039;t you like it? If it isn&#039;t the subject, it must be...what...the prosody, the form? I have shared this poem before with positive results.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay&#8230;fair enough. I&#8217;ll bite. Why wouldn&#8217;t you like it? If it isn&#8217;t the subject, it must be&#8230;what&#8230;the prosody, the form? I have shared this poem before with positive results.<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_25690"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 25690 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 15:01:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why does it need to be a contest in order for people to express their opinions of it? You&#039;re putting it out there; nobody&#039;s forcing you to post your own poems. Why be surprised at criticism?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why does it need to be a contest in order for people to express their opinions of it? You&#8217;re putting it out there; nobody&#8217;s forcing you to post your own poems. Why be surprised at criticism?<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_25688"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 25688 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Gary B. Fitzgerald</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary B. Fitzgerald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 14:01:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting that at least four people out there appear to be opposed to protecting our Earth. How does that work? These four negative votes can&#039;t be personal because nobody knows anything about me. This isn&#039;t a poetry contest so voting on my poem would be kind of dumb. What else could one conclude? Pretty weird.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting that at least four people out there appear to be opposed to protecting our Earth. How does that work? These four negative votes can&#8217;t be personal because nobody knows anything about me. This isn&#8217;t a poetry contest so voting on my poem would be kind of dumb. What else could one conclude? Pretty weird.<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_25687"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 25687 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Gary B. Fitzgerald</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary B. Fitzgerald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 02:50:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Terreson said:

“Oh, I would love it if Harriet brought to the blog the central problem poets should be addressing. The earth.”

Well, Harriet may not, but I will:


Ask any fresh new family out here
in their brand new country home,
four bedrooms on an acre, custom
built just for them. They are the
modern and genteel, on the web,
Ipods, cell phones, brand new cars.
Ask them about all these wars, about
these violent, bloodthirsty hordes
who have crossed our history and lands
with genocide and death,
invaded and murdered and conquered,
how almost every nation now was
carved by a nation of invaders.
Ask them about that.
Not me, they’d say… we are civilized…
middle class, good schools, big TV, SUV,
politically correct and morals uncompromised.
We are innocent of such crimes.

And what shock would come to them
in learning of the slaughter
their invasion has produced,
the families sundered,
the infants crushed,
the great communities reduced
as the bulldozers blundered
through tree and brush,
the instant death and flight
of the survivors into the diaspora
of roadkill.



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Copyright 2008 – SOFTWOOD-Seventy-eight poems, Gary B. Fitzgerald</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terreson said:</p>
<p>“Oh, I would love it if Harriet brought to the blog the central problem poets should be addressing. The earth.”</p>
<p>Well, Harriet may not, but I will:</p>
<p>Ask any fresh new family out here<br />
in their brand new country home,<br />
four bedrooms on an acre, custom<br />
built just for them. They are the<br />
modern and genteel, on the web,<br />
Ipods, cell phones, brand new cars.<br />
Ask them about all these wars, about<br />
these violent, bloodthirsty hordes<br />
who have crossed our history and lands<br />
with genocide and death,<br />
invaded and murdered and conquered,<br />
how almost every nation now was<br />
carved by a nation of invaders.<br />
Ask them about that.<br />
Not me, they’d say… we are civilized…<br />
middle class, good schools, big TV, SUV,<br />
politically correct and morals uncompromised.<br />
We are innocent of such crimes.</p>
<p>And what shock would come to them<br />
in learning of the slaughter<br />
their invasion has produced,<br />
the families sundered,<br />
the infants crushed,<br />
the great communities reduced<br />
as the bulldozers blundered<br />
through tree and brush,<br />
the instant death and flight<br />
of the survivors into the diaspora<br />
of roadkill.</p>
<p>.<br />
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		<title>By: Terreson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terreson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 00:30:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rachel says: &quot;Terreson, I take your point, but we’re not the only species that our species has put in danger.&quot;

Back at you Rachel.  And, of course, your point is likely more important, certainly more poignant.  Down here where I live, when driving to and from work in my teeny tiny car, I see these monster SUVs.  Frequently, impressionistically I&#039;ll say most regularly, I&#039;ll see this teeny tiny human type animal straining to look over the steering wheel.  More than not it is an individual specimen with the XX chromosomal make up.  Racial coloration ranges from white, to brown, to black.  The sight is always such a turn off to this aging environmentalist.  At the sight of these SUVs involuntarily I think of the all the animal life getting wiped out so that that small type human being can feel safe on the road.

On the other hand the stats concerning enclave reentrenchment and environmental adaptation by other animal species give me hope.  Coyotes, raccoons, Merlin falcons, and all the way down to the microbial level, animal life either finding enclaves or adapting to even unfriendly urban environments.  If adaptation can be taken as a sign of intelligence our species is not scoring so well.

I was once involved in an environmentalist type discussion, brought in as the token poet.  I was asked for my opinion on how to save the disaster humans have presented the planet.  I said it would be nothing less than a return to the paleolithic level of material culture.  You could have heard the proverbial pin drop.  An ecologist recently said that earth balance can support a human population of 2 billion.  So I guess we need to kill off 5 billion people.  Like that&#039;s going to happen?  And who is going to convince that SUV mom her sense of road safety is diminishing her grandchildrens&#039; earth?  For that matter who is going to convince an NYC poet, a San Fran poet, an L.A. poet, a Boston poet, a Chicago poet, a London poet that their attraction to the happening scene is killing the earth?

&quot;But the longer her hour is poisoned, and therefore the more exhausted by man&#039;s irreligious improvidence the natural resources of soil and sea become, the less merciful will her five-fold mask be...&quot;  That is something Robert Graves said back during WW 2.  And he was right.  Gaia will see to the problem, she is seeing to the problem.

Oh, I would love it if Harriet brought to the blog the central problem poets should be addressing.  The earth.

Terreson</description>
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<p>Back at you Rachel.  And, of course, your point is likely more important, certainly more poignant.  Down here where I live, when driving to and from work in my teeny tiny car, I see these monster SUVs.  Frequently, impressionistically I&#8217;ll say most regularly, I&#8217;ll see this teeny tiny human type animal straining to look over the steering wheel.  More than not it is an individual specimen with the XX chromosomal make up.  Racial coloration ranges from white, to brown, to black.  The sight is always such a turn off to this aging environmentalist.  At the sight of these SUVs involuntarily I think of the all the animal life getting wiped out so that that small type human being can feel safe on the road.</p>
<p>On the other hand the stats concerning enclave reentrenchment and environmental adaptation by other animal species give me hope.  Coyotes, raccoons, Merlin falcons, and all the way down to the microbial level, animal life either finding enclaves or adapting to even unfriendly urban environments.  If adaptation can be taken as a sign of intelligence our species is not scoring so well.</p>
<p>I was once involved in an environmentalist type discussion, brought in as the token poet.  I was asked for my opinion on how to save the disaster humans have presented the planet.  I said it would be nothing less than a return to the paleolithic level of material culture.  You could have heard the proverbial pin drop.  An ecologist recently said that earth balance can support a human population of 2 billion.  So I guess we need to kill off 5 billion people.  Like that&#8217;s going to happen?  And who is going to convince that SUV mom her sense of road safety is diminishing her grandchildrens&#8217; earth?  For that matter who is going to convince an NYC poet, a San Fran poet, an L.A. poet, a Boston poet, a Chicago poet, a London poet that their attraction to the happening scene is killing the earth?</p>
<p>&#8220;But the longer her hour is poisoned, and therefore the more exhausted by man&#8217;s irreligious improvidence the natural resources of soil and sea become, the less merciful will her five-fold mask be&#8230;&#8221;  That is something Robert Graves said back during WW 2.  And he was right.  Gaia will see to the problem, she is seeing to the problem.</p>
<p>Oh, I would love it if Harriet brought to the blog the central problem poets should be addressing.  The earth.</p>
<p>Terreson<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_25651"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 25651 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Jake Eyall</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 02:33:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How daring of you to say Heather&#039;s not a genius!

I totally agree.

I&#039;m glad I&#039;m not the only one whose eyebrows raised the roof when the funny girl got the genius grant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How daring of you to say Heather&#8217;s not a genius!</p>
<p>I totally agree.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad I&#8217;m not the only one whose eyebrows raised the roof when the funny girl got the genius grant.<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_25640"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 25640 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Rachel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rachel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 20:47:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Terreson, I take your point, but we&#039;re not the only species that our species has put in danger.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terreson, I take your point, but we&#8217;re not the only species that our species has put in danger.<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_25637"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 25637 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Eileen Myles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eileen Myles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 18:58:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your welcome. I just called you dull in another post but I thought you were calling me dull.  Glad we&#039;re someplace else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your welcome. I just called you dull in another post but I thought you were calling me dull.  Glad we&#8217;re someplace else.<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_25634"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 25634 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Eileen Myles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eileen Myles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 18:56:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, Ben. Wow of course!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Ben. Wow of course!!!<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_25633"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 25633 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Vivek Narayanan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vivek Narayanan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 13:35:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a brilliant and thrilling run of posts, EM.  And this last two-parter not the least!  You have me devoted to your next word.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a brilliant and thrilling run of posts, EM.  And this last two-parter not the least!  You have me devoted to your next word.<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_25623"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 25623 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Mary Meriam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary Meriam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 05:13:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Once one became part of the faculty it became clear that poets were not as trustworthy as scholars. ... Your work was not research. Your grades were inflated. Your students’ texts were impossible to read. These pronouncements were delivered with great huffiness like poetry was a stumbling block to them, an affront to their experience of knowledge. Our outsiderness was never an enticement, or rarely.&lt;/i&gt;

You paint the picture so clearly (and poetically). I&#039;ve loved all your Harriet posts, and I&#039;m sorry you&#039;re leaving here. But I hope to read more of you in other places.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Once one became part of the faculty it became clear that poets were not as trustworthy as scholars. &#8230; Your work was not research. Your grades were inflated. Your students’ texts were impossible to read. These pronouncements were delivered with great huffiness like poetry was a stumbling block to them, an affront to their experience of knowledge. Our outsiderness was never an enticement, or rarely.</i></p>
<p>You paint the picture so clearly (and poetically). I&#8217;ve loved all your Harriet posts, and I&#8217;m sorry you&#8217;re leaving here. But I hope to read more of you in other places.<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_25621"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 25621 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: john</title>
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		<dc:creator>john</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 05:06:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You did have a theory during the LANGUAGE era, it was just different than theirs:  That people should write about their lives and the world around them.  

I like your theory.

Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You did have a theory during the LANGUAGE era, it was just different than theirs:  That people should write about their lives and the world around them.  </p>
<p>I like your theory.</p>
<p>Thanks.<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_25620"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 25620 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Ben Friedlander</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Friedlander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 23:34:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;We tend to over-believe our filters.&quot;

Very true! But they&#039;re still good for making coffee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;We tend to over-believe our filters.&#8221;</p>
<p>Very true! But they&#8217;re still good for making coffee.<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_25611"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 25611 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Terreson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terreson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 23:30:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I’ve been mostly thinking about the earth these days, mostly that she’s a girl, that she’s a poet and one in great danger. I decided not eat red meat, do that for a while. No ice on the planet in 2013. What should we do. Start a school or shut up? No.&quot;

Gaia is not in danger, Eileen Myles.  It is the species that is in danger, ours.  She will outlive us in the same way she has outlived all dominating species who get too big for their britches.  In the end your words will pass and so will mine.  Gaia will still be around even if you and I might find her atmosphere difficult to breathe.

Terreson</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I’ve been mostly thinking about the earth these days, mostly that she’s a girl, that she’s a poet and one in great danger. I decided not eat red meat, do that for a while. No ice on the planet in 2013. What should we do. Start a school or shut up? No.&#8221;</p>
<p>Gaia is not in danger, Eileen Myles.  It is the species that is in danger, ours.  She will outlive us in the same way she has outlived all dominating species who get too big for their britches.  In the end your words will pass and so will mine.  Gaia will still be around even if you and I might find her atmosphere difficult to breathe.</p>
<p>Terreson<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_25610"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 25610 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Rachel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rachel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 22:59:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;We’re writing poetry and advancing feminist poetics at a time when girls grow up with less access to interiority, less ability to imagine their own bodies and what they might want than ever before.&quot;

&quot;I’ve been mostly thinking about the earth these days, mostly that she’s a girl, that she’s a poet and one in great danger.&quot;

Thanks, Eileen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;We’re writing poetry and advancing feminist poetics at a time when girls grow up with less access to interiority, less ability to imagine their own bodies and what they might want than ever before.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;I’ve been mostly thinking about the earth these days, mostly that she’s a girl, that she’s a poet and one in great danger.&#8221;</p>
<p>Thanks, Eileen.<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_25608"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 25608 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<dc:creator>Adam Strauss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 22:47:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like that this post calls out LANGUAGE poetry for sex-hobia/homophobia, tho I&#039;d add that R Silliman most definitely does have sex in his work; the sex is dull, but him on flirting is really fabulous!  Soooooo true how it&#039;s weird there&#039;s no &quot;canonical&quot; language poetry AIDs poem, when San Fran is so relevant to both the poetic movement and the diease epidemic.</description>
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