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	<title>Comments on: Gender &amp; Poetry (Part 1): &#8216;Why Don&#8217;t More Women Do Blog-Oriented Writing?&#8217;</title>
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		<title>By: cory raymond</title>
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		<dc:creator>cory raymond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 02:34:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, there is certainly a lot of input on this issue. I&#039;m a sixty-one year old woman who&#039;s just come out of the poetry &quot;closet&quot;. I blog because I can! It&#039;s free, it&#039;s fun, and it gets my poetry out there. (http://www.sometimes-ever-after.blogspot.com/).I can&#039;t really speak to the relative suffering of males vs. females, except to say I&#039;ve done my share and intend to limit the amount I do from now on.

I have a poem on Poem Online, called &quot;The Poetry Makers&quot;,(http://poem.org/community/2.3.1/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1265064651) which pretty much sums up how I got to a place of making poetry. 

My poetry blog is pretty static. I&#039;ve posted about 30 poems there in the last month and will add more periodically. I don&#039;t do any daily commentary or updates. If you&#039;d all like to see a really cool blog (photos, poetry, art, philosophy, wisdom, love and more) by my sixty-two year old friend, Linda, in Bellingham, Washington, check out: http://ifeltit-poppiespoppy.blogspot.com/2010/02/norway-my-heart.html. She updates almost daily and always has something insightful and/or funny to say! And, I guess that&#039;s about all the self-promotion/friend promotion I can stand for one day! Cory Raymond McAllen Texas</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, there is certainly a lot of input on this issue. I&#8217;m a sixty-one year old woman who&#8217;s just come out of the poetry &#8220;closet&#8221;. I blog because I can! It&#8217;s free, it&#8217;s fun, and it gets my poetry out there. (<a href="http://www.sometimes-ever-after.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.sometimes-ever-after.blogspot.com/</a>).I can&#8217;t really speak to the relative suffering of males vs. females, except to say I&#8217;ve done my share and intend to limit the amount I do from now on.</p>
<p>I have a poem on Poem Online, called &#8220;The Poetry Makers&#8221;,(<a href="http://poem.org/community/2.3.1/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1265064651" rel="nofollow">http://poem.org/community/2.3.1/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1265064651</a>) which pretty much sums up how I got to a place of making poetry. </p>
<p>My poetry blog is pretty static. I&#8217;ve posted about 30 poems there in the last month and will add more periodically. I don&#8217;t do any daily commentary or updates. If you&#8217;d all like to see a really cool blog (photos, poetry, art, philosophy, wisdom, love and more) by my sixty-two year old friend, Linda, in Bellingham, Washington, check out: <a href="http://ifeltit-poppiespoppy.blogspot.com/2010/02/norway-my-heart.html" rel="nofollow">http://ifeltit-poppiespoppy.blogspot.com/2010/02/norway-my-heart.html</a>. She updates almost daily and always has something insightful and/or funny to say! And, I guess that&#8217;s about all the self-promotion/friend promotion I can stand for one day! Cory Raymond McAllen Texas<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_28756"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 28756 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Jessica Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jessica Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 17:07:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Self-effacement&quot; is a real term, btw-- not sure which discipline created it, but it&#039;s not like I made it up.  Although making neologisms to describe the experience of being a woman would not seem to be out of the question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Self-effacement&#8221; is a real term, btw&#8211; not sure which discipline created it, but it&#8217;s not like I made it up.  Although making neologisms to describe the experience of being a woman would not seem to be out of the question.<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_28422"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 28422 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: sassjemleon</title>
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		<dc:creator>sassjemleon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 16:13:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wendy, at this point in my daugther&#039;s life, i think she&#039;d be happy just to grow some breasts. also, she was talking about being a lawyer the other day; i imagine she&#039;d be a good one--good enough to sue any employer who does her wrong. 

regardless, thanks for the parental advice. but honestly, i&#039;m pretty much father-of-the-year every year. i&#039;m well aware of my responsibilities and various personality flaws in meeting them. in addition to being a regretless visionary, i&#039;ve mastered the art of apology.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wendy, at this point in my daugther&#8217;s life, i think she&#8217;d be happy just to grow some breasts. also, she was talking about being a lawyer the other day; i imagine she&#8217;d be a good one&#8211;good enough to sue any employer who does her wrong. </p>
<p>regardless, thanks for the parental advice. but honestly, i&#8217;m pretty much father-of-the-year every year. i&#8217;m well aware of my responsibilities and various personality flaws in meeting them. in addition to being a regretless visionary, i&#8217;ve mastered the art of apology.<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_28267"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 28267 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Wendy Babiak</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wendy Babiak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 15:51:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do choose my own books. You patronize to assume I don&#039;t. But not everyone is that independent-minded, and the fact that NYT chooses antifeminist writers to review feminist books is an issue that merits examination.

As far as your own daughter goes, wait and see how she fares the first time her boss talks to her breasts or passes her up for promotion because she&#039;s of childbearing age.

I do hope your son does not turn himself into cannon fodder, but he has plenty of other choices to make (it&#039;s actually your job to help him make good ones, you know). Your anecdotal evidence re: your family&#039;s situation does not bear on the overall culture, the inequities of which remain a fact.

And this is my last word to you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do choose my own books. You patronize to assume I don&#8217;t. But not everyone is that independent-minded, and the fact that NYT chooses antifeminist writers to review feminist books is an issue that merits examination.</p>
<p>As far as your own daughter goes, wait and see how she fares the first time her boss talks to her breasts or passes her up for promotion because she&#8217;s of childbearing age.</p>
<p>I do hope your son does not turn himself into cannon fodder, but he has plenty of other choices to make (it&#8217;s actually your job to help him make good ones, you know). Your anecdotal evidence re: your family&#8217;s situation does not bear on the overall culture, the inequities of which remain a fact.</p>
<p>And this is my last word to you.<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_28266"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 28266 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: sassjemleon</title>
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		<dc:creator>sassjemleon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 15:14:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wendy, honestly, i don&#039;t worry about my daughter at all. she&#039;s good looking, whipsmart, and a natural athlete, and just scored the lead in her middle school&#039;s production of guys and dolls -- my favorite musical. she&#039;s already got her eyes fixed on a couple of ivy league colleges. my son, however, is talking about quitting the school band, and joining the high school rotc, with his eyes on some sort of military academy en route to eventually working for the fbi. i&#039;m worried he&#039;ll wind up dead in afghanistan, and i&#039;m going to be angrier than i&#039;ve ever been in my life because i don&#039;t believe in heroes or the phoney notion of &quot;dying for your country.&quot; i&#039;m not going to try to stop my son, but i&#039;m certainly not going to encourage him either. hopefully that will be enough to stop him.... 

as for link, again, basically unreadable to me. i don&#039;t do contentious name dropping pieces, and i certainly don&#039;t read the new york times book review, or any reviews for that matter. i pick my own. always have. you should try it some time; it&#039;s quite liberating....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wendy, honestly, i don&#8217;t worry about my daughter at all. she&#8217;s good looking, whipsmart, and a natural athlete, and just scored the lead in her middle school&#8217;s production of guys and dolls &#8212; my favorite musical. she&#8217;s already got her eyes fixed on a couple of ivy league colleges. my son, however, is talking about quitting the school band, and joining the high school rotc, with his eyes on some sort of military academy en route to eventually working for the fbi. i&#8217;m worried he&#8217;ll wind up dead in afghanistan, and i&#8217;m going to be angrier than i&#8217;ve ever been in my life because i don&#8217;t believe in heroes or the phoney notion of &#8220;dying for your country.&#8221; i&#8217;m not going to try to stop my son, but i&#8217;m certainly not going to encourage him either. hopefully that will be enough to stop him&#8230;. </p>
<p>as for link, again, basically unreadable to me. i don&#8217;t do contentious name dropping pieces, and i certainly don&#8217;t read the new york times book review, or any reviews for that matter. i pick my own. always have. you should try it some time; it&#8217;s quite liberating&#8230;.<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_28265"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 28265 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Wendy Babiak</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wendy Babiak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 14:23:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that progress has been made, though in many places, esp. regarding gender inequities, things are slipping backwards. It does not help that in some circles of young women &quot;feminism&quot; is a dirty word, made so by backlash rhetoricians (male and female) who equate the struggle for equality with man-hating or some refusal to groom oneself.

Here&#039;s an article worth reading on this subject (h/t Amy King), about &quot;postfeminist&quot; writers dismissing feminist books in the NY Times book review:

http://bitchmagazine.org/article/hard-times

The cover of the current issue of Calyx magazine, a photograph of a circle of young girls clearly not being very nice to each other, vividly illustrates the fact that, from an early age, we can be our own worst enemies.

So progress has been made, but to imagine that it&#039;s time to rest on our laurels, that we&#039;re done, that my daughter will not face more obstacles than my son, is simply wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that progress has been made, though in many places, esp. regarding gender inequities, things are slipping backwards. It does not help that in some circles of young women &#8220;feminism&#8221; is a dirty word, made so by backlash rhetoricians (male and female) who equate the struggle for equality with man-hating or some refusal to groom oneself.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s an article worth reading on this subject (h/t Amy King), about &#8220;postfeminist&#8221; writers dismissing feminist books in the NY Times book review:</p>
<p><a href="http://bitchmagazine.org/article/hard-times" rel="nofollow">http://bitchmagazine.org/article/hard-times</a></p>
<p>The cover of the current issue of Calyx magazine, a photograph of a circle of young girls clearly not being very nice to each other, vividly illustrates the fact that, from an early age, we can be our own worst enemies.</p>
<p>So progress has been made, but to imagine that it&#8217;s time to rest on our laurels, that we&#8217;re done, that my daughter will not face more obstacles than my son, is simply wrong.<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_28264"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 28264 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: sassjemleon</title>
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		<dc:creator>sassjemleon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 05:07:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ms babiak, i think if you performed a more comprehensive historical comparison of the american publishing world of 50-100 years ago to the publishing numbers by gender in 2009, my statement about the significant and lasting improvements regarding overall diversity in the amercan publishing would prove, without a doubt, to be true. 

also, i think it&#039;s important to accept that diversity and inclusion efforts are firmly entrenched in america. from  the lowest to the highest ranking positions of government, academia, and larger corporations, we won&#039;t be reverting to our past employment and promotion models any time soon. as each generation becomes more aware of their potential and equal opportunities, they will continue to take advantage of them, and the various playing fields should continue to level out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ms babiak, i think if you performed a more comprehensive historical comparison of the american publishing world of 50-100 years ago to the publishing numbers by gender in 2009, my statement about the significant and lasting improvements regarding overall diversity in the amercan publishing would prove, without a doubt, to be true. </p>
<p>also, i think it&#8217;s important to accept that diversity and inclusion efforts are firmly entrenched in america. from  the lowest to the highest ranking positions of government, academia, and larger corporations, we won&#8217;t be reverting to our past employment and promotion models any time soon. as each generation becomes more aware of their potential and equal opportunities, they will continue to take advantage of them, and the various playing fields should continue to level out.<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_28250"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 28250 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Wendy Babiak</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wendy Babiak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 03:07:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That would be because you&#039;re refusing to look at it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That would be because you&#8217;re refusing to look at it.<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_28243"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 28243 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: sassjemleon</title>
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		<dc:creator>sassjemleon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 20:01:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jessica, thanks, nothing wrong with my vision. in fact, i used to be a visionary. some day i may get back to those visions; but, for now, i&#039;m dealing strictly in reality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jessica, thanks, nothing wrong with my vision. in fact, i used to be a visionary. some day i may get back to those visions; but, for now, i&#8217;m dealing strictly in reality.<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_28215"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 28215 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Jessica Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jessica Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 19:13:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure why you guys are bothering to engage with this obviously very myopic and ignorant blog troll.  He is insulted by affirmative action and thinks women have more time to write because they&#039;re housewives... why is that worth engaging?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure why you guys are bothering to engage with this obviously very myopic and ignorant blog troll.  He is insulted by affirmative action and thinks women have more time to write because they&#8217;re housewives&#8230; why is that worth engaging?<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_28211"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 28211 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: sassjemleon</title>
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		<dc:creator>sassjemleon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 18:49:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>matt, i gave you a nod to some pure poetry, and you continue to bait/insult me. throughout this thread, i think i&#039;ve already articulated at least some of my position on this issue, which i believe is enough for now. in other words, i&#039;m moving on....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>matt, i gave you a nod to some pure poetry, and you continue to bait/insult me. throughout this thread, i think i&#8217;ve already articulated at least some of my position on this issue, which i believe is enough for now. in other words, i&#8217;m moving on&#8230;.<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_28209"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 28209 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: sassjemleon</title>
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		<dc:creator>sassjemleon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 18:31:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>somewhat, but perhaps not. i love music, but don&#039;t play any instruments. my son plays the drums and guitar. my daughter, in addition to playing the piano, sings quite well. 

in addition to my literary interests, i am an excellent athlete and a sports nut. my son, despite having an excellent physique, is only fairly athletic--but not an athlete. my daughter is flatout a natural athlete, along with a great body. neither child, however, enjoys poetry or watching sports as much as me. my wife is beautiful and intelligent, so are my children. so yes, perhaps my attitude is lamarckian. could be worse, no?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>somewhat, but perhaps not. i love music, but don&#8217;t play any instruments. my son plays the drums and guitar. my daughter, in addition to playing the piano, sings quite well. </p>
<p>in addition to my literary interests, i am an excellent athlete and a sports nut. my son, despite having an excellent physique, is only fairly athletic&#8211;but not an athlete. my daughter is flatout a natural athlete, along with a great body. neither child, however, enjoys poetry or watching sports as much as me. my wife is beautiful and intelligent, so are my children. so yes, perhaps my attitude is lamarckian. could be worse, no?<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_28207"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 28207 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 18:28:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;perhaps it is you who needs to read more carefully.&quot;

um, why? if you&#039;re going to offer that as a rebuttal, at least give a reason. otherwise it&#039;s pretty lame, and only serves to highlight the staggering depth of your cluelessness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;perhaps it is you who needs to read more carefully.&#8221;</p>
<p>um, why? if you&#8217;re going to offer that as a rebuttal, at least give a reason. otherwise it&#8217;s pretty lame, and only serves to highlight the staggering depth of your cluelessness.<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_28206"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 28206 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: sassjemleon</title>
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		<dc:creator>sassjemleon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 18:08:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>matt, i don&#039;t really have the time to discuss my parenting style with you, nor do i really feel this is the place for it. (truthfully, i had a much longer post, but lost it. took it as a sign....)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>matt, i don&#8217;t really have the time to discuss my parenting style with you, nor do i really feel this is the place for it. (truthfully, i had a much longer post, but lost it. took it as a sign&#8230;.)<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_28203"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 28203 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: sassjemleon</title>
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		<dc:creator>sassjemleon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 18:04:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>suffice to say, elisa, i find the evidence lacking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>suffice to say, elisa, i find the evidence lacking.<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_28202"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 28202 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Elisa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 17:33:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;i’m surrounded by women and their works on a daily basis. my assumptions are fairly educated.&quot;

Sass, earlier on, you wrote this:

&quot;i do, however, believe that the american literary/publishing industry has made significant and lasting changes when it comes to presenting a more level playing field, especially when it comes to women contributors.

is my belief wrong?&quot;

when people presented evidence that your beliefs and assumptions ARE in fact wrong, you basically said, &quot;TLDR.&quot; you&#039;re refusing to question or examine your assumptions out of laziness. so claiming that your &quot;assumptions are educated&quot; seems pretty disingenuous. that&#039;s kind of the thing about assumptions -- they&#039;re often based more on bias than evidence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;i’m surrounded by women and their works on a daily basis. my assumptions are fairly educated.&#8221;</p>
<p>Sass, earlier on, you wrote this:</p>
<p>&#8220;i do, however, believe that the american literary/publishing industry has made significant and lasting changes when it comes to presenting a more level playing field, especially when it comes to women contributors.</p>
<p>is my belief wrong?&#8221;</p>
<p>when people presented evidence that your beliefs and assumptions ARE in fact wrong, you basically said, &#8220;TLDR.&#8221; you&#8217;re refusing to question or examine your assumptions out of laziness. so claiming that your &#8220;assumptions are educated&#8221; seems pretty disingenuous. that&#8217;s kind of the thing about assumptions &#8212; they&#8217;re often based more on bias than evidence.<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_28199"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 28199 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Bhanu Kapil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bhanu Kapil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 17:06:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My son&#039;s handwriting is atrocious, and it&#039;s a fact that he hates writing anything down (ironically, considering me being his mum; actually, his dad) --  but we wrote letters to L.A. last night.  He was shouting something about homework being &quot;evil,&quot; and I thought, I have to do something.  I don&#039;t know if this is middle class/immigrant pushiness, but it&#039;s nothing compared to my dad forcing me to study physics etc in order to become a doctor, which I hated.  In the contemporary world, one that includes work and educational opportunities beyond the U.S., letting things unfold just isn&#039;t going to cut it.  In some sense, this isn&#039;t a row about genetics, but about parenting.  It&#039;s not parenting, it&#039;s shelter.  It&#039;s politics.  It&#039;s money.  Obviously, this is the opposite of poetry, and now I am turning into my father, so I&#039;ll stop there, because I&#039;m scaring myself!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My son&#8217;s handwriting is atrocious, and it&#8217;s a fact that he hates writing anything down (ironically, considering me being his mum; actually, his dad) &#8212;  but we wrote letters to L.A. last night.  He was shouting something about homework being &#8220;evil,&#8221; and I thought, I have to do something.  I don&#8217;t know if this is middle class/immigrant pushiness, but it&#8217;s nothing compared to my dad forcing me to study physics etc in order to become a doctor, which I hated.  In the contemporary world, one that includes work and educational opportunities beyond the U.S., letting things unfold just isn&#8217;t going to cut it.  In some sense, this isn&#8217;t a row about genetics, but about parenting.  It&#8217;s not parenting, it&#8217;s shelter.  It&#8217;s politics.  It&#8217;s money.  Obviously, this is the opposite of poetry, and now I am turning into my father, so I&#8217;ll stop there, because I&#8217;m scaring myself!!!<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_28197"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 28197 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: sassjemleon</title>
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		<dc:creator>sassjemleon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 17:05:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>matt, perhaps it is you who needs to read more carefully. 

regardless, if you&#039;re into mildy offensive, wildly untrue cinema, may i suggest, if you haven&#039;t seen it already, &quot;the hangover.&quot; 

the tiger song is pure poetry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>matt, perhaps it is you who needs to read more carefully. </p>
<p>regardless, if you&#8217;re into mildy offensive, wildly untrue cinema, may i suggest, if you haven&#8217;t seen it already, &#8220;the hangover.&#8221; </p>
<p>the tiger song is pure poetry.<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_28196"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 28196 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 16:41:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;never bought my son a journal because he never asked for one.&quot;

why let that stop you? how often do kids ask for things that are good for them? what&#039;s wrong with gently nudging the kid in a literary direction? if he&#039;s not into it, that&#039;s cool, but he can decide for himself. and there&#039;s no harm in trying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;never bought my son a journal because he never asked for one.&#8221;</p>
<p>why let that stop you? how often do kids ask for things that are good for them? what&#8217;s wrong with gently nudging the kid in a literary direction? if he&#8217;s not into it, that&#8217;s cool, but he can decide for himself. and there&#8217;s no harm in trying.<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_28195"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 28195 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 16:27:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;just don’t advertise the space with some ludicrous claim about women being the best the writers because of gender oppression. it’s mildly offensive, and wildly untrue.&quot;

no one claimed that &quot;women are the best writers because of gender oppression&quot;. read more carefully and that&#039;s pretty easy to see. (assuming you aren&#039;t misreading it deliberately. no, surely that can&#039;t be the case at all!)

&quot;mildly offensive, and wildly untrue&quot;! 

haha... sounds like a blurb for a movie i&#039;d like to see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;just don’t advertise the space with some ludicrous claim about women being the best the writers because of gender oppression. it’s mildly offensive, and wildly untrue.&#8221;</p>
<p>no one claimed that &#8220;women are the best writers because of gender oppression&#8221;. read more carefully and that&#8217;s pretty easy to see. (assuming you aren&#8217;t misreading it deliberately. no, surely that can&#8217;t be the case at all!)</p>
<p>&#8220;mildly offensive, and wildly untrue&#8221;! </p>
<p>haha&#8230; sounds like a blurb for a movie i&#8217;d like to see.<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_28194"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 28194 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Peter Greene</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Greene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 16:05:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lamarckian?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lamarckian?<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_28190"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 28190 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: sassjemleon</title>
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		<dc:creator>sassjemleon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 15:58:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>peter, what do you suppose my attitude is?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>peter, what do you suppose my attitude is?<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_28188"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 28188 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: sassjemleon</title>
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		<dc:creator>sassjemleon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 15:57:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>elisa wrote:

&quot;And people *are* proposing ways to even the playing field (such as creating more places for women to be published, which does not, as Matt Walker has said elsewhere, mean that there are fewer places for men to publish their work as a result).&quot;

elisa, i am an editor, librarian, and poet, steeped in books and publishing for the past 20 years. i&#039;m surrounded by women and their works on a daily basis. my assumptions are fairly educated. 

regardless of any assumptions, does creating your own playing field necessarily even it? for example, do women basketball players, by having their own court, afford them the same money, respect and admiration as their male counterparts? will it ever? 

by all reasonable accounts, the literary/academic publishing industry is probably one of the most gender level playing fields in existence, in terms of respect, admiration and money. is it perfect? certainly not. should women have their spaces? sure. why not. but a women&#039;s only project will tend to attract only women. if that is what you are after, fine. just don&#039;t advertise the space with some ludicrous claim about women being the best the writers because of gender oppression. it&#039;s mildly offensive, and wildly untrue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>elisa wrote:</p>
<p>&#8220;And people *are* proposing ways to even the playing field (such as creating more places for women to be published, which does not, as Matt Walker has said elsewhere, mean that there are fewer places for men to publish their work as a result).&#8221;</p>
<p>elisa, i am an editor, librarian, and poet, steeped in books and publishing for the past 20 years. i&#8217;m surrounded by women and their works on a daily basis. my assumptions are fairly educated. </p>
<p>regardless of any assumptions, does creating your own playing field necessarily even it? for example, do women basketball players, by having their own court, afford them the same money, respect and admiration as their male counterparts? will it ever? </p>
<p>by all reasonable accounts, the literary/academic publishing industry is probably one of the most gender level playing fields in existence, in terms of respect, admiration and money. is it perfect? certainly not. should women have their spaces? sure. why not. but a women&#8217;s only project will tend to attract only women. if that is what you are after, fine. just don&#8217;t advertise the space with some ludicrous claim about women being the best the writers because of gender oppression. it&#8217;s mildly offensive, and wildly untrue.<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_28187"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 28187 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Elisa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 14:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But why do you *assume* it&#039;s even now (you seem unwilling to look closely at the matter yourself)? If things haven&#039;t been even since the dawn of publishing, why would everything have gotten better in the past three years? And why should publishing stoop to the sexism of other industries? And people *are* proposing ways to even the playing field (such as creating more places for women to be published, which does not, as Matt Walker has said elsewhere, mean that there are fewer places for men to publish their work as a result).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But why do you *assume* it&#8217;s even now (you seem unwilling to look closely at the matter yourself)? If things haven&#8217;t been even since the dawn of publishing, why would everything have gotten better in the past three years? And why should publishing stoop to the sexism of other industries? And people *are* proposing ways to even the playing field (such as creating more places for women to be published, which does not, as Matt Walker has said elsewhere, mean that there are fewer places for men to publish their work as a result).<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_28182"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 28182 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Wendy Babiak</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wendy Babiak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 23:30:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Jessica, for the encouragement and wishes for luck. I&#039;ll take both.

And thanks for the two links. The first one&#039;s a little sad, though it does make me very happy that we got rid of the TV when we moved north two years ago. The second is really sad. I&#039;m not as surprised as I&#039;d like that &quot;James&quot; encountered the situation she did. Though I&#039;m glad for her that she&#039;s managed to live her life on her terms. More power to her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Jessica, for the encouragement and wishes for luck. I&#8217;ll take both.</p>
<p>And thanks for the two links. The first one&#8217;s a little sad, though it does make me very happy that we got rid of the TV when we moved north two years ago. The second is really sad. I&#8217;m not as surprised as I&#8217;d like that &#8220;James&#8221; encountered the situation she did. Though I&#8217;m glad for her that she&#8217;s managed to live her life on her terms. More power to her.<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_28165"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 28165 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Peter Greene</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Greene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:34:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess you don&#039;t suppose your own attitude crosses those of your son and daughter in any meaningful way. I only bring it up because of, ah, family issues. I know what it is to have a mother who believes things so strongly about you that you lose track of yourself, and it&#039;s a wrecker, dude. Ette. Anyway, I expect you know your life and business better than I do, so I best butt out.

PG</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess you don&#8217;t suppose your own attitude crosses those of your son and daughter in any meaningful way. I only bring it up because of, ah, family issues. I know what it is to have a mother who believes things so strongly about you that you lose track of yourself, and it&#8217;s a wrecker, dude. Ette. Anyway, I expect you know your life and business better than I do, so I best butt out.</p>
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		<title>By: sassjemleon</title>
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		<dc:creator>sassjemleon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 20:25:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>why, peter, do you hope i&#039;m joking? furthermore, in my children&#039;s middle school, most of the best artists, actors, and singers are all female. hardly any girls play video games at all. why do you think that is? it&#039;s not for lack of marketing.... my guess is it&#039;s partially cultural and partially genetic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>why, peter, do you hope i&#8217;m joking? furthermore, in my children&#8217;s middle school, most of the best artists, actors, and singers are all female. hardly any girls play video games at all. why do you think that is? it&#8217;s not for lack of marketing&#8230;. my guess is it&#8217;s partially cultural and partially genetic.<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_28156"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 28156 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Travis Nichols</title>
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		<dc:creator>Travis Nichols</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 20:09:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jessica,

After reading all about &quot;James&quot; (thanks for that) I thought you and others might be interested in the feature we just put up this week:

http://www.poetryfoundation.org/journal/article.html?id=238584

It&#039;s Michelle Lee&#039;s story of &quot;Michael Field,&quot; a Victorian gentleman poet who happens to have been been the invention of two Victorian women.  

-Travis</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jessica,</p>
<p>After reading all about &#8220;James&#8221; (thanks for that) I thought you and others might be interested in the feature we just put up this week:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.poetryfoundation.org/journal/article.html?id=238584" rel="nofollow">http://www.poetryfoundation.org/journal/article.html?id=238584</a></p>
<p>It&#8217;s Michelle Lee&#8217;s story of &#8220;Michael Field,&#8221; a Victorian gentleman poet who happens to have been been the invention of two Victorian women.  </p>
<p>-Travis<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_28155"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 28155 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Jessica Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jessica Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 19:54:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wendy,
Foursquare has been around for over two years and is archived at looktouch.com/press if you want to check out backissues. I would love it if you sent me some work.

I wanted to point out a couple of things that your comment reminded me about:
1. A graph of what people do with their time: 
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2009/07/31/business/20080801-metrics-graphic.html

2. A recent blog post by a women writing under a male pseudonym:
http://www.copyblogger.com/james-chartrand-underpants/

Good luck with the move.
Jessica</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wendy,<br />
Foursquare has been around for over two years and is archived at looktouch.com/press if you want to check out backissues. I would love it if you sent me some work.</p>
<p>I wanted to point out a couple of things that your comment reminded me about:<br />
1. A graph of what people do with their time:<br />
<a href="http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2009/07/31/business/20080801-metrics-graphic.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2009/07/31/business/20080801-metrics-graphic.html</a></p>
<p>2. A recent blog post by a women writing under a male pseudonym:<br />
<a href="http://www.copyblogger.com/james-chartrand-underpants/" rel="nofollow">http://www.copyblogger.com/james-chartrand-underpants/</a></p>
<p>Good luck with the move.<br />
Jessica<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_28152"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 28152 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Peter Greene</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Greene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 19:30:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hope you&#039;re joking, Sass.

PG</description>
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