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		<title>By: pam lu</title>
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		<dc:creator>pam lu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 17:34:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;One thing I would critique here is the idea of critique here.&quot;

&quot;the triad being the new binary&quot;

Yes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;One thing I would critique here is the idea of critique here.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;the triad being the new binary&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes.<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_27504"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 27504 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Bhanu Kapil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bhanu Kapil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 04:14:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not below it anymore.  In it.</description>
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		<title>By: Thom Donovan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thom Donovan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 03:15:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yes, good angels and bad angels, low angels and high. Satan was supreme arch-angel, etc., but for his pride and *excessive* love of God

I share your sense of the cycles Vanessa.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes, good angels and bad angels, low angels and high. Satan was supreme arch-angel, etc., but for his pride and *excessive* love of God</p>
<p>I share your sense of the cycles Vanessa.<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_27474"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 27474 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: vanessa place</title>
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		<dc:creator>vanessa place</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 02:59:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are we still below the fold? As I recall, angels are also monsters, at least in Christian iconography and legend. And rightly so, for the greater sin may be not the outward monstrosity, but encouraging the act of faith itself, which, as I&#039;ve iterated to the point of seeming idiocy, is the monstrosity of faith. (It&#039;s that old Brecht bank jab.) One thing I would critique here is the idea of critique here. I am not so much prescriptive or normative as descriptive, if not delighted. Perhaps the immanence of the disco boy is best left to be played by the boy and his creator, to the degree he may be either somewhat fictitious or just outwardly observed. I adore faith--it leads to excess, and I do believe in excess. Contrarily, and similarly, there is Stein&#039;s story of the man dragging his father through the orchard. And, to triangulate our trinity (the triad being the new binary), there is the sweet boy with the bird, above, who has no faith but perhaps the faith of the nevertheless. The faith of St.Sisyphus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are we still below the fold? As I recall, angels are also monsters, at least in Christian iconography and legend. And rightly so, for the greater sin may be not the outward monstrosity, but encouraging the act of faith itself, which, as I&#8217;ve iterated to the point of seeming idiocy, is the monstrosity of faith. (It&#8217;s that old Brecht bank jab.) One thing I would critique here is the idea of critique here. I am not so much prescriptive or normative as descriptive, if not delighted. Perhaps the immanence of the disco boy is best left to be played by the boy and his creator, to the degree he may be either somewhat fictitious or just outwardly observed. I adore faith&#8211;it leads to excess, and I do believe in excess. Contrarily, and similarly, there is Stein&#8217;s story of the man dragging his father through the orchard. And, to triangulate our trinity (the triad being the new binary), there is the sweet boy with the bird, above, who has no faith but perhaps the faith of the nevertheless. The faith of St.Sisyphus.<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_27473"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 27473 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Thom Donovan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thom Donovan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 19:52:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>good question Pam. and thanks for the Poets Theater shout. can&#039;t wait to get my hands on that seminal anthology. great your mention of Fanny Howe too--who has wrestled with the angel of faith</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>good question Pam. and thanks for the Poets Theater shout. can&#8217;t wait to get my hands on that seminal anthology. great your mention of Fanny Howe too&#8211;who has wrestled with the angel of faith<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_27451"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 27451 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: pam lu</title>
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		<dc:creator>pam lu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 19:48:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vanessa, how would you begin a critique of faith? From a rational materialist perspective? Where does it go from there?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vanessa, how would you begin a critique of faith? From a rational materialist perspective? Where does it go from there?<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_27450"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 27450 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Thom Donovan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thom Donovan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 15:58:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess that&#039;s my problem with psychoanalysis. it becomes a prison-house of gestures taken for signs, thus hyper-rationalzied (I don&#039;t doubt for all of its embrace of the &quot;unconscious,&quot; psychoanalysis is a hyper-rational discourse). tho what you are saying does remind me of an intersting observation in James&#039; *Principles of Psychology*. that crying (making one&#039;s self cry) leads to a feeling of sadness. gestures precede &quot;intentions,&quot; effects causes. I can dig that. as Creeley once said (wrote?): I want to believe in belief (vs. faith in faithlessness). 

I am just as much interested in the monsters (in fact, definitley less so than you Vanessa) as with the angels (of mercy). what about those who break the cycle of shame in Hankeke&#039;s films? or self-destruct (instead of directing the hate/shame outwards) like Huppert&#039;s character in The Piano Teacher. instead of *suiciding* (Artaud), what if we raised these people up? (if only by a descent doubly great): 

&quot;To come down by a movement in which gravity plays no part. {...} Gravity makes things come down, wings make them rise: what wings raised to the second power can make things come down without weight?&quot; -- Simone Weil</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess that&#8217;s my problem with psychoanalysis. it becomes a prison-house of gestures taken for signs, thus hyper-rationalzied (I don&#8217;t doubt for all of its embrace of the &#8220;unconscious,&#8221; psychoanalysis is a hyper-rational discourse). tho what you are saying does remind me of an intersting observation in James&#8217; *Principles of Psychology*. that crying (making one&#8217;s self cry) leads to a feeling of sadness. gestures precede &#8220;intentions,&#8221; effects causes. I can dig that. as Creeley once said (wrote?): I want to believe in belief (vs. faith in faithlessness). </p>
<p>I am just as much interested in the monsters (in fact, definitley less so than you Vanessa) as with the angels (of mercy). what about those who break the cycle of shame in Hankeke&#8217;s films? or self-destruct (instead of directing the hate/shame outwards) like Huppert&#8217;s character in The Piano Teacher. instead of *suiciding* (Artaud), what if we raised these people up? (if only by a descent doubly great): </p>
<p>&#8220;To come down by a movement in which gravity plays no part. {&#8230;} Gravity makes things come down, wings make them rise: what wings raised to the second power can make things come down without weight?&#8221; &#8212; Simone Weil<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_27425"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 27425 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Don Share</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Share</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 15:56:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The OED, &quot;gesture,&quot; 4.b. a move or course of action undertaken as an expression of feeling or as a formality; esp. a demonstration of friendly feeling, usu. with the purpose of eliciting a favourable response from another.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The OED, &#8220;gesture,&#8221; 4.b. a move or course of action undertaken as an expression of feeling or as a formality; esp. a demonstration of friendly feeling, usu. with the purpose of eliciting a favourable response from another.<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_27424"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 27424 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Bhanu Kapil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bhanu Kapil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 13:46:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Absolument.  I&#039;m thinking steel cut oats with baked apple for breakfast, and a slice of cheddar cheese.  No, that sounds bad.  I&#039;ll figure it out by noon, I&#039;m sure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolument.  I&#8217;m thinking steel cut oats with baked apple for breakfast, and a slice of cheddar cheese.  No, that sounds bad.  I&#8217;ll figure it out by noon, I&#8217;m sure.<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_27419"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 27419 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Bhanu Kapil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bhanu Kapil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 13:44:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fundamentalism as connected to, to shame.  Disco shame.  The boy dragged home from the disco by his long hair, by his dad, then grows up to flip and by eighteen has the whole bit: the black turban with the saffron headband underneath.  By his mid-twenties, he moves in next door to his parents and knocks down the door in between.  It&#039;s an abrupt conversion, with sexual memory beneath it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fundamentalism as connected to, to shame.  Disco shame.  The boy dragged home from the disco by his long hair, by his dad, then grows up to flip and by eighteen has the whole bit: the black turban with the saffron headband underneath.  By his mid-twenties, he moves in next door to his parents and knocks down the door in between.  It&#8217;s an abrupt conversion, with sexual memory beneath it.<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_27418"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 27418 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: goo</title>
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		<dc:creator>goo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 12:12:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vanessa Place, ladies and gentlemen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vanessa Place, ladies and gentlemen.<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_27415"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 27415 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: vanessa place</title>
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		<dc:creator>vanessa place</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 03:23:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Bhanu:

My faith is faithless. But salty/sweet snacks are always useful when dealing with the manifold and monstrous.

As you know.

yrs,
VP</description>
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<p>My faith is faithless. But salty/sweet snacks are always useful when dealing with the manifold and monstrous.</p>
<p>As you know.</p>
<p>yrs,<br />
VP<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_27407"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 27407 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: vanessa place</title>
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		<dc:creator>vanessa place</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 03:18:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No. If psychoanalysis teaches anything, it teaches that there are no mere gestures, but that all gestures mirror. One might also note that it is the very hallmark of fundamentalism to indicate that the problem is not faith in A but an insufficient degree of faith, or a misapprehended or misapplied faith, so that faith itself is never critiqued. This may also apply to poetry, but that is another discursion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No. If psychoanalysis teaches anything, it teaches that there are no mere gestures, but that all gestures mirror. One might also note that it is the very hallmark of fundamentalism to indicate that the problem is not faith in A but an insufficient degree of faith, or a misapprehended or misapplied faith, so that faith itself is never critiqued. This may also apply to poetry, but that is another discursion.<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_27405"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 27405 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Thom Donovan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thom Donovan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 16:58:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sometimes there is sometimes there isn&#039;t, right Vanessa? certainly not in the case of &quot;pouring unpasteurized milk on the hood of a silver cobra.&quot; nor in the case of Ashura</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sometimes there is sometimes there isn&#8217;t, right Vanessa? certainly not in the case of &#8220;pouring unpasteurized milk on the hood of a silver cobra.&#8221; nor in the case of Ashura<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_27379"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 27379 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: vanessa place</title>
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		<dc:creator>vanessa place</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 15:39:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>there is nothing &quot;mere&quot; about gestures.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>there is nothing &#8220;mere&#8221; about gestures.<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_27368"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 27368 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Bhanu Kapil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bhanu Kapil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 20:05:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What do you stuff yours with, Vanessa? From LA MEDUSA, your words, some ideas/guesses: &quot;Medusa (hurling a handful of popcorn) This new saint. Catherine.  What do you care if they drop in a new objet d&#039;avatar?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What do you stuff yours with, Vanessa? From LA MEDUSA, your words, some ideas/guesses: &#8220;Medusa (hurling a handful of popcorn) This new saint. Catherine.  What do you care if they drop in a new objet d&#8217;avatar?&#8221;<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_27338"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 27338 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Bhanu Kapil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bhanu Kapil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 20:01:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not when you&#039;re pouring unpasteurized milk on the hood of a silver cobra at the Shiva temple...also I think of being at the Ganges last year, near Rishikesh, and how at the evening aarti, at the last syllable, everyone raises their arms in unison like gelatin pitchforks...</description>
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		<title>By: Thom Donovan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thom Donovan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 19:53:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>here is an interesting response to this post by James Wagner at Esther Press:

http://estherpress.blogspot.com/2010/01/violenceevidence-i-have-read-review-of.html

I don&#039;t agree that I am &quot;excising&quot; cinematic violence nor being morally instructive, but what can you do...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>here is an interesting response to this post by James Wagner at Esther Press:</p>
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<p>I don&#8217;t agree that I am &#8220;excising&#8221; cinematic violence nor being morally instructive, but what can you do&#8230;<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_27336"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 27336 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: pam lu</title>
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		<dc:creator>pam lu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 19:38:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think faith (or belief, or trust, or the leap of the absurd, not necessarily &amp; often not theistic) is like one those points of volatile singularity in chaos theory where the graph has the potential to go totally haywire, to shoot up or down towards a great high or low, depending on the trigger conditions. Add a good dose of extremism in temperament, a control freak tendency, and an addiction to assertions of power, and yes you will get a monstrous apparatus, one very difficult to stop. I wonder if this apparatus is one of those things that can simply be counteracted by virtue of its absence (is this nihilism as an ethic?), or if it requires the force of its non-dogmatic opposite to stop it. But the great lure &amp; advantage of dogma is that it lets the individual off the hook by allowing them to transfer their volatile faith to the apparatus instead, thus many followers are attracted. Any non-dogmatic expression of faith (e.g. nonviolent protest) has at its base a faith in the power of the individual conscience, and is therefore subject to less addictive fervor and less surface unity. Is at a disadvantage in this respect.

But I feel like interrupting this unpaid comment with a plug for a fantastic new book that&#039;s just come out, the Kenning Anthology of Poets Theater, which I see hovering in the backdrop of a sibling commentbox here. This anthology, edited by Kevin Killian and David Brazil, compiles some 48 examples of poets plays from the period 1945-1985 and is sure to be a rich &amp; valuable resource for poets, playwrights, sort-of-poets, sort-of-playwrights, scholars, actors, directors, producers, and just about anyone with an interest in the sociality and theatricality of language. Here&#039;s a snippet from Fanny Howe&#039;s memories of the Cambridge Poets Theatre, quoted in the editors&#039; introduction:

&gt;&gt; There was a table for tickets on the left as you entered. There were all the bulbs and bars for the lighting overhead, a curtained backdrop, and often a stage set designed by an artist and lit by a student. Backstage did not offer much space for crouched actors waiting for their cues, so they galloped up and down the stairs into the smell of paste and face cream... The first play was &quot;Try! Try!&quot; by Frank O&#039;Hara and was designed by Edward Gorey (long, morose, ironic, and damp). No one asked what good was poetry in such a brutal world. The Poets Theatre dedicated itself to the resonance of language as a counterpoint to a theater of intention. &lt;&lt;

Many other previews and supplements can be found at http://www.kenningeditions.com/. And you can buy your very own copy from http://www.spdbooks.org/.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think faith (or belief, or trust, or the leap of the absurd, not necessarily &amp; often not theistic) is like one those points of volatile singularity in chaos theory where the graph has the potential to go totally haywire, to shoot up or down towards a great high or low, depending on the trigger conditions. Add a good dose of extremism in temperament, a control freak tendency, and an addiction to assertions of power, and yes you will get a monstrous apparatus, one very difficult to stop. I wonder if this apparatus is one of those things that can simply be counteracted by virtue of its absence (is this nihilism as an ethic?), or if it requires the force of its non-dogmatic opposite to stop it. But the great lure &amp; advantage of dogma is that it lets the individual off the hook by allowing them to transfer their volatile faith to the apparatus instead, thus many followers are attracted. Any non-dogmatic expression of faith (e.g. nonviolent protest) has at its base a faith in the power of the individual conscience, and is therefore subject to less addictive fervor and less surface unity. Is at a disadvantage in this respect.</p>
<p>But I feel like interrupting this unpaid comment with a plug for a fantastic new book that&#8217;s just come out, the Kenning Anthology of Poets Theater, which I see hovering in the backdrop of a sibling commentbox here. This anthology, edited by Kevin Killian and David Brazil, compiles some 48 examples of poets plays from the period 1945-1985 and is sure to be a rich &amp; valuable resource for poets, playwrights, sort-of-poets, sort-of-playwrights, scholars, actors, directors, producers, and just about anyone with an interest in the sociality and theatricality of language. Here&#8217;s a snippet from Fanny Howe&#8217;s memories of the Cambridge Poets Theatre, quoted in the editors&#8217; introduction:</p>
<p>&gt;&gt; There was a table for tickets on the left as you entered. There were all the bulbs and bars for the lighting overhead, a curtained backdrop, and often a stage set designed by an artist and lit by a student. Backstage did not offer much space for crouched actors waiting for their cues, so they galloped up and down the stairs into the smell of paste and face cream&#8230; The first play was &#8220;Try! Try!&#8221; by Frank O&#8217;Hara and was designed by Edward Gorey (long, morose, ironic, and damp). No one asked what good was poetry in such a brutal world. The Poets Theatre dedicated itself to the resonance of language as a counterpoint to a theater of intention. &lt;&lt;</p>
<p>Many other previews and supplements can be found at <a href="http://www.kenningeditions.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.kenningeditions.com/</a>. And you can buy your very own copy from <a href="http://www.spdbooks.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.spdbooks.org/</a>.<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_27333"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 27333 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Thom Donovan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thom Donovan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 19:07:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>is faith merely a gesture?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>is faith merely a gesture?<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_27332"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 27332 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: vanessa place</title>
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		<dc:creator>vanessa place</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 19:05:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This conflation of empiricism with faith makes faith meaningless as a gesture of religion, yes?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This conflation of empiricism with faith makes faith meaningless as a gesture of religion, yes?<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_27331"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 27331 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 06:04:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yeah, it would be hard to go through life if you didn&#039;t have faith in people. you&#039;d never be able to get in a car with someone else driving, for example, let alone a train or airplane or dirigible. i don&#039;t believe in god. i do believe in pilots.

my pilot is my co-pilot.</description>
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<p>my pilot is my co-pilot.<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_27317"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 27317 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Thom Donovan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thom Donovan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 01:53:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I tend to be a Jamesian (William) when it comes to faith. belief (aka faith) is a prerequisite for doing anything. abt 1% of it tilts into irrationality (nation, father, family, Freud, etc. etc.) yet we believe--we have &#039;faith in&#039;--the ground under our feet. what&#039;s more we trust--or have faith in--people, and this trust can be noble. it is necessary if nothing else... cf. Alphonso Lingis</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tend to be a Jamesian (William) when it comes to faith. belief (aka faith) is a prerequisite for doing anything. abt 1% of it tilts into irrationality (nation, father, family, Freud, etc. etc.) yet we believe&#8211;we have &#8216;faith in&#8217;&#8211;the ground under our feet. what&#8217;s more we trust&#8211;or have faith in&#8211;people, and this trust can be noble. it is necessary if nothing else&#8230; cf. Alphonso Lingis<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_27311"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 27311 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: vanessa place</title>
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		<dc:creator>vanessa place</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 01:44:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think faith is not neutral, cannot be neutral, as its prerequisite is irrationality. Dogma is inseparable from faith. This may be one of the larger lessons of the 20th century. Whatever you stuff your faith with is irrelevant to its appearance as the fanatical, as it is wedded to the phantasy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think faith is not neutral, cannot be neutral, as its prerequisite is irrationality. Dogma is inseparable from faith. This may be one of the larger lessons of the 20th century. Whatever you stuff your faith with is irrelevant to its appearance as the fanatical, as it is wedded to the phantasy.<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_27310"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 27310 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Thom Donovan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thom Donovan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 23:09:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yeah Vanessa, I think I&#039;m with Pam on this one. &quot;faith,&quot; to my mind, tends to be neutral, tho what one places their faith *in* and the consequences of this placing one&#039;s faith in are not...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeah Vanessa, I think I&#8217;m with Pam on this one. &#8220;faith,&#8221; to my mind, tends to be neutral, tho what one places their faith *in* and the consequences of this placing one&#8217;s faith in are not&#8230;<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_27300"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 27300 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: pam lu</title>
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		<dc:creator>pam lu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 21:36:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Vanessa,

I think I see what you&#039;re saying here, but is faith really to blame here, or is it faith&#039;s evil cousin dogmatism?</description>
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<p>I think I see what you&#8217;re saying here, but is faith really to blame here, or is it faith&#8217;s evil cousin dogmatism?<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_27293"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 27293 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: pam lu</title>
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		<dc:creator>pam lu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 21:34:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Flipped too in its roving camerawork, the restless swoops, up, down, turnarounds. Great for the omniscient eye, bad for vertigo sufferers. I liked how one of the downstairs characters turned out to be a Hollywood actor/hustler, appropos to the role-playing aspect of that whole milieu.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Flipped too in its roving camerawork, the restless swoops, up, down, turnarounds. Great for the omniscient eye, bad for vertigo sufferers. I liked how one of the downstairs characters turned out to be a Hollywood actor/hustler, appropos to the role-playing aspect of that whole milieu.<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_27292"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 27292 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: pam lu</title>
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		<dc:creator>pam lu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 21:24:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow Thom, thanks! I&#039;ll be adding some of these to my netflix queue. I see now that Haneke also made a TV adaptation of The Castle, could be interesting!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow Thom, thanks! I&#8217;ll be adding some of these to my netflix queue. I see now that Haneke also made a TV adaptation of The Castle, could be interesting!<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_27291"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 27291 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 07:05:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yeah, i love it. it&#039;s from the point of view of the downstairs people--there&#039;s at least one of them in every scene.</description>
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		<title>By: Thom Donovan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thom Donovan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 05:20:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>upstairs/downstairs... has anyone seen Altman&#039;s Gosford Park? pretty great in terms of thinking these dynamics... interesting to think how flipped top and bottom are in this film, especially given the denouement</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>upstairs/downstairs&#8230; has anyone seen Altman&#8217;s Gosford Park? pretty great in terms of thinking these dynamics&#8230; interesting to think how flipped top and bottom are in this film, especially given the denouement<br /><span id="reportcomment_results_div_27274"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment( 27274 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment</a></span></p>
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