About a month ago, the National Book Critics Circle sponsored a panel on the demise of the print journal and the rise of the online journal. Actually, it was a little more complex than that, but the gist of the conversation was this: that libraries and other institutions with diminishing budgets were cutting back on (or eliminating altogether) their literary journal subscriptions, and coupled with the popularity of webzines and other forms of online sites dedicated to publishing contemporary literary works, it seems that the nails of the print journal’s coffin have been inevitably secured.

Panelists bantered back and forth about the benefits and detriments of both sides of the issue, engaging matters of environmentalism (hey, let’s save paper!), to technological literacy (we’re in the digital age, get used to it!), to space limitations (where are we going to keep and store all of these things anyway?), to the preservation of the reader-text intimacy (we can’t hold a computer the way we can hold a book!).
In the end, it came down to the language of economics: funding and supply-and-demand. If less people are buying them, then less will be printed or supported by grants. If less people are demanding to see them in libraries, then libraries will cease to put them up on display. It seemed like a horrific pre-cursor to another looming threat: the end of the book. Will we eventually relinquish the tangible text in exchange for hypertext? Well, it may seem impossible now, given how sentimental we readers are about holding and owning the physical book, but the truth is we continue to train each other on how to read material on the screen. Isn’t that what you’re doing this very moment?
The fact is that blogs (like this one) and webzines and online journals are actually moving us closer to the day in which entire books will be read on the computer. We actually already do that. Don’t we read our manuscripts like that? Can’t we download entire books from virtual booksellers already?
Older folks and technophobes may scoff, but, if you’re over 30 like me, the truth is we will probably not be invited into the conversation. It’s the younger people who will decide for all of us, and they’re the ones growing up techno-savvy. I wonder if there’s anything they don’t do through the computer or some other microchip or micro-battery contraption?
On to poetry: None of the poems in my first book, published in 1999, appeared online. From my second book, published in 2006, exactly ten poems appeared previously in online journals. From my third manuscript, a dozen (that’s nearly one-third of the manuscript) have been published online so far.
I actually welcome the dominance of the online journal. For starters, poetry doesn’t have to be limited to the dimensions of the page, which for me has been an issue of late because my lines are so long. And I dare journal editors tell me that they don’t prefer poems that are only one page in length? How neat and convenient to accept poems that actually fit the single journal page. Need evidence? Just check any literary journal on hand. The proof is definitely in the pudding.
One of the first American literary journals to land on the web was the Electronic Poetry Review back in 1995. Sadly, it will upload its final issue in January of 2008. I published a few of my long line poems with them back in 2002 with Issue 4, and what a relief it was not to have an editor send me galleys with my lines doing all kinds of acrobatics on the page because they didn’t fit the space otherwise. It was then that I began to seek out other online journals that were receptive to my work. I placed poems in:
2nd Avenue Poetry
Diode Poetry Journal
Guernica Magazine
The Rogue Scholars Collective
I spend so much time at the computer and on the Internet, that it’s become natural for me to read poetry online. And more recently, it’s easier for me to submit poetry online as well. Goodbye postage stamp, farewell paper cut.
Mine’s an incomplete list of online journals (obviously!!!). And the Poetry Foundation lists some more here. But can you add online journals we’ve missed so that the PF can update their resource page? Thanks!

Originally Published: October 28th, 2007

Rigoberto González was born in Bakersfield, California and raised in Michoacán, Mexico. He is the author of several poetry books, including So Often the Pitcher Goes to Water until It Breaks (1999), a National Poetry Series selection; Other Fugitives and Other Strangers (2006); Black Blossoms (2011); and Unpeopled Eden (2013), winner of a Lambda Literary Award. He...

  1. October 29, 2007
     Simon DeDeo

    Elisa Gabbert (an editor and poet up in Boston), Joanna Guldi (a scholar of the road system, in San Francisco), Irwin Chen (an information architect at Parson's in New York) and I together run absent magazine. It is a lot of unpaid work, but in terms of upfront financial costs small.
    Our readership is, per issue, somewhere in the thousands -- more than one thousand but less than five -- where I count a reader as someone who downloads at least three articles or poem groups from the issue. There is absolutely no way we could afford the printing and infrastructure costs to get a physical object to that many people.
    As a poet somewhat "outside the system" -- not connected to an MFA program -- I have found online journals an absolutely vital source. They are hooked in to a sort of Skynet-like network of commentary and interaction. There are only three print journals I read regularly and subscribe to -- Boston Review, Chicago Review and Conjunctions -- and perhaps 90% of my poetry comes from the online world.
    In terms of journals I particularly enjoy -- which here means journals that I review material from in rhubarb is susan -- here's a highly incomplete list. If Poetry officials want me to provide a complete list of journals from rhubarb, drop me a line:
    Slope (warning cubicle workers! turn off your speakers!)
    horseless review
    Gut Cult

  2. October 29, 2007
     Alicia (AE)

    This is an important topic. I think that the cries that the internet will somehow wash away print altogether stem from a misunderstanding of how new technologies work. New and old technologies tend to rub shoulders, unless the new completely usurps all the uses and advantages of the old--they must completely overlap. The invention of the zipper does not mean we no longer use buttons. And indeed, we use pencils and pens everyday (our pens are more sophisticated in their ink-delivery than goose quills, but it is essentially the same technology)--the typewriter, on the other hand, has all but vanished, as it really has been replaced by computerized word processing. Remember when writers were holding out for their typewriters?
    The book replaced the scroll, partly because a scroll had to be read--and probably aloud--in order, unrolled at one end, and rolled up at the other. A book had pages that could be flipped through at random, and it was possible to bookmark different passages and compare them easily. (This was pointed out in a book I am currently reviewing, Ad Infinitum: A Biography of Latin.) It is interesting that the internet brings back a "scroll" system, of scrolling down the page, and being unable to look at the top and the bottom of the page easily--only looking at the window of the screen--the unrolled part of the scroll. This is actually what makes it so conducive to lyric poetry (which often fits in said screen), but not as friendly to novels. Books are portable, require no energy source (besides the light to read by), are relatively cheap, and are the essence of user friendly. I don't think they are going anywhere.
    Some things, though, are going to get absorbed by the internet. There is no reason, for instance, to keep printing updated telephone books. And ephemerae such as print journals may well go entirely that direction. As there is no money to be made in poetry, let it then be cheap and easily accessible.
    I suppose for my part I lean towards print journals with an on-line presence (Smartish Pace and Poetry are two with strong presences)--I like my poem to be available both as an artefact and easily accessed. (Indeed, as an ex-pat without access to a library, for me, if it doesn't exist on-line, it doesn't exist.) Increasingly, I think, print journals without an on-line presence will be marginilized or vanish altogether. My only problem with on-line-only journals is that it is hard to tell which ones are going to stick around (they are easy to found, and easy to abandon once they founder). I have had poems published on-line in journals which no longer exist at all--and the poems have vanished into the aether.
    I think on-line journals have occasionally suffered, too, from trying to reproduce print journals and not taking advantage of the different conditions afforded by the internet. Why still come out once a quarter, for instance, instead of putting up new poems as they are accepted? In that sense Poetry Daily and Verse Daily are using the internet more creatively and effectively.
    The Cortland Review and the new Unsplendid are on-line journals I am especially pleased to have had poems in.
    Thanks for bringing up this topic! (And apologies for the screed...)

  3. October 29, 2007
     Jeannine Hall Gailey

    I didn't see Siren listed up there, Pebble Lake Review, or Wicked Alice, some of my favorites.

  4. October 29, 2007

    Can folks provide links or web addresses to facilitate this matter? Thanks!
    Alicia, I agree with you, there will be an overlap, certainly, though it's clear technology will change our relationship to the book or the printed page. This has been an issue in terms of letter writing: we now email. So can anyone imagine how a COLLECTED LETTERS compilation will look like in the future with letters (or emails rather) of someone writing in the present? Compressed and abbreviated, that's for sure. And what of archives? I archive on the computer, in cyberspace--it will not get lost, I hope--but for someone like me who moves so often, it great I don't have to carry all this "baggage" with me. And since I now compose poetry mostly on the computer--I avoided it for so long, but I've crossed over--I also tend to save drafts on the my thumbdrive. All this new vocabulary! Who knew?
    Anyway, I do like the dual offerings--both print and online. I think Painted Bride Quarterly is one such journal that does that. But I'llbe honest, I will most likely look online than browse the stacks. It's not out of laziness or lack of desire, it's because of all those times I've been disappointed at the limited offerings on the journal stands. Most of these big name booksellers have the same predictable choices, and I know there's more, and frankly, better out there.

  5. October 29, 2007
     Francisco Aragón

    What I find a bit exasperating is encountering poets (of a certain age) who somehow look down on online publications as beneath a "real" publication (read print). What I love about the online journal is that it can increase one's readership exponentially.
    Having said that, I still love holding a book, and perhaps even more holding a finely made, chapbook. Sandra McPherson at UC Davis once shared with her students an amazing collection of them that she brought to a class she was teaching on small press publishing---specifically, the groundfloor of Swan Scythe Press.
    And I love the limited edition letterpress broadside. So much so that Letras Latinas will be inaugurating it's ad hoc broadside series next month with a letterpress broadside being produced by Red Dragon Fly Press in Minnesota of a poem titled "Pear" by Chicano poet Eduardo C. Corral.

  6. October 30, 2007
     Emily Warn

    Thanks, Rigoberto, for making more work for us! Seriously, this is a valuable list so I hope others will continue to chime in.
    I have to confess, though, when I find a poem I like online, I tend to print it out to read more closely later. Is it my eyesight or that electronic reading hasn't yet arrived?
    I agree with Alicia that the Internet will never replace the book just as movies have not replaced the theater. I also agree that most online journals are just digitzed print mags. True digital poems, those that can only be read on the Internet because they toy with the underlying programming languages as well as the alphabetic language, can be read here.

  7. October 30, 2007
     Alicia (AE)

    Yes, it will be interesting when that first Collected E-mails comes out! And I think e-mail is where a lot of that back-and-forth between poets on their craft is going on. I hope folks are saving their correspondences.
    Maybe the ease of on-line publication will actually encourage fine letterpress printing for on-paper publishing, since the emphasis will return to its being a sensual artefact, rather than a mass-produced document.

  8. October 30, 2007
     Erika D.

    Great post. For a big picture view, you'll find many, many online journals listed at and a searchable database (you can limit the search to online journals that publish poetry) at

  9. October 30, 2007
     Nick T.

    Enjoying this discussion, and wanted to note first, Alicia, that a young poet named Noah Eli Gordon has already provided the world with a collection of his e-mails, appropriately titled Inbox. Make of it what you will (it's a print text, oddly), but I think what's interesting about e-mail is that it allows the obsessive collector to collect text on perhaps an unprecedented level. If print is still around when a Collected E-mails arrives, I wonder just how many volumes it will require. A work colleague and I figured out that we send and receive over 5,000 e-mails in a given year, and that's just work! As well, should note, regarding Rigoberto's comment about those over 30 possibly not being invited to the party, that a recent study noted that young people today don't have much use for e-mail, that e-mails are seen as the preferred mode of communication for people in positions of authority–teachers, parents, bosses. They prefer txting, IM, etc.
    I do want to respond to one more thing, again from Alicia. To quote: "Increasingly, I think, print journals without an on-line presence will be marginilized or vanish altogether." I co-edit a poetry-only magazine, The Canary, and we've had little to no online presence since we published our first issue nearly six years ago. I mention this because we've never wanted to be a presence online, and we operate under the assumption that we, by our very definition as a poetry magazine, reside in the margins. We manage to scrape together enough money to get the next issue out, but I don't agree that magazines will need to have an online presence in order not to be relegated to the margins. Any magazine that publishes poems, or at least that dedicates a good chunk of its pages to poetry, will naturally be open to operating at a loss, in many senses of that word. That's what makes the enterprise of publishing a magazine of poetry so exciting: we can do whatever we want, and publish the work we love, or at least don't understand well enough to reject.
    And a side note: it's utterly true that nobody subscribes to literary magazines, especially poets. A handful of our previous contributors (numbering over 100) have become subscribers (and we thank them for that). The print model for publication depends on support, from grants to donations to institutions to subscribers. I suppose it's old hat to talk about this, but I am still amazed at how few people actually pony up. And yet, they are always in your ear about proofs, getting their contributor's copies right away, etc. Understandable, but I think this kind of entitled and willful forgetfulness will help contribute to the disappearance of the print journal.

  10. October 30, 2007

    Alicia has mentioned published poems that vanish without a trace when a magazine goes offline; what of the poems that -- horrors! -- live on forever, but which you wish you had not published? The ephemerality of the print mag has served a valuable purpose for younger writers: it helps them see their work with new eyes, and that sometimes entails further revision; sometimes sheer abandonment. Live and learn. But with the internet, live and learn and cringe forevermore!
    If you can bear to ask the editors to take down your poems years later, you'll encounter their own proprietary feeling toward the works they've selected. So you're stuck.
    There are other reasons (besides youthful experimentation) to keep one's profile low at certain points. So I'm with Nick on the possibilities of useful, positive marginality. And also paying for it. I'll be sending my subscription to you, Nick! Sorry for the lapse!

  11. October 31, 2007
     Amos Johannes Hunt

    Precisely when the written word is most desperately in need of deeper cultivation and less proliferation, it flees into a field in which the most natural course is exactly the reverse of what is wanted. That print journals a) require resources to produce and b)take up valuable space are advantages, not problems, because they press for qualitative improvement where quantity has little room to expand. Now that we have an avenue of escape from these advantageous limitations, where we can even hope never to encounter them again, quality will no longer be a necessity.

  12. October 31, 2007
     Phillip Harvey

    Who should we fear?
    Online journals, or online poets?
    I prefer holding a book to viewing a laptop every time. But I travel a lot and have happily embraced the internet as a source of literature. It's sensible and convenient. It's so easy, in fact, to read and publish things online that it seems mediocre writers have flooded the market with their cud; half-digested, pungent and of very little nutritional value.
    This is, of course, a double-edged sword. The ease of online publication opens the door to good writers too. But, is that really an advantage? Or, do even the good writers get lazy? I find myself increasingly sympathetic with Donald Hall's assertion in his (online!) essay "Poetry and Ambition" that the aspiration to greatness, and consequently the practice of revision, is the worst victim in this climate of easy publication, both online and in print.
    The climate's greatest beneficiary, however, seems to be literacy. You see, I'm something of an optimist. And I continue to believe, no matter how many people boast in their stupidity, that intelligent people are still reading. There is, after all, myself.
    If you are a reader who values valuing the valuable, you might check these out: (legal and free e-books of too many classics to count) (Contemporary Poetry Review) (an audio archive of poets reading their work)
    You can read Hall's essay here:
    And lest we forget podcasts, this very website has the best one going.

  13. November 1, 2007

    On quality control: I hear what folks are saying, and it's absolutely true--more mediocre poetry is finding its way to "publication" online, whether it's a journal or through the countless blogs out there. But as a book reviewer, I will argue that mediocre poetry also finds its way into print, so let's try not to make a blanket statement since, last time I checked some of the online journals listed above, many of them have editors. So it's not like poets can simply post their material without someone evaluating the poem first.
    But folks are forgetting one important benefit of online journals: it can be read globally. Last I checked, even some of the big gun publishers don't distribute their poetry books outside of the U.S. But online journals do. And the English-reading audience lives all over the world. Perhaps people can get off their U.S.-centric chairs for a second and recognize how valuable this is in terms of access to contemporary poetry. And are American poets finding online journals in other countries? How else would many of us connect with writers writing in English otherwise, or even with writers getting translated and published online?
    And as for the discussions about poets being afraid of publishing work that's permanently accessible, I would also hope these same poets are sending only their poems out for consideration, not their crappy writing exercises. There's a difference. And a poem is a poem.

  14. November 1, 2007
     scott malby

    Today, electronic manipulation imitates text but what is text? I would attribute to it as having a quality of containment inside itself that is able to cross different platforms. The problem is that we are partially blinded by what we know as we describe new realities in old terms. The merging of technologies across platforms is described in terms of what went before...what we are used to. The book can't deal well with sound and smell and taste but we are quickly approaching a time when cross-technologies can and will. The poem will change as we know it. One way will be in terms of passive mentation or reading incorporating a new physicality and participatory element on the part of the one undergoing the experience who interacts in a way with the specific text of poems that somehow changes the poem as well as the experience. We will be less focused on "book" and more on text. We will be less focused on "poet" and more on "artist". Books will always be around but not so much surrounding us. The library on the other hand will radically change in terms of its historic function as will our current concept of the poetic journal. Neither the library, the literary journal or the poem will become extinct- just accessed, approached, experienced, and understood differently.

  15. November 1, 2007
     Simon DeDeo

    And as for the discussions about poets being afraid of publishing work that's permanently accessible, I would also hope these same poets are sending only their poems out for consideration, not their crappy writing exercises. There's a difference. And a poem is a poem.
    I mean, this is true, but then again there's a reason we read edited journals -- because poets are poor judges of the significance of their own work. And editors make mistakes; indeed, I'd say that editors make mistakes more often than they succeed. Some kind of expiry date on poems sounds quite nice actually -- if they hit the mark, someone will have preserved them elsewhere. At least, that's how Western culture has handled this question up until the age of mechanical reproduction.
    That said, I don't see the difference between online and off in terms of quality -- just snobbery. Probably the best journal of them all is Jacket. It's the place to beat, IMO, if you are trying to publish something in the avant gardy tradition.

  16. November 1, 2007
     Vivek Narayanan

    Rigoberto: Right on! And THANK YOU for the links to your work and the pointers to online magazines. Reading poetry online (while I really don't like doing it-- my eyes still don't "grab" a poem so well off the screen) is the only way that I, sitting here on a foggy Delhi morning, earning a salary that eventually comes from the Indian ministry of education, can keep up with contemporary world poetry. I can't afford to import books on a regular basis, nor can I afford to subscribe to magazines overseas.
    In India, even the smallest town has cybercafes where one can surf for as little as 20 rupees (less than half a dollar) an hour. This means that using the internet is feasible even for lower middle class (and some working class) Indians who don't own a computer. Of course, this is only in Asia, and we mustn't make the mistake of assuming global connectivity. In Africa, it is still very expensive and difficult to get internet access. But that will change, hopefully, with the rise of cellphone technologies.
    Which brings me to the only question that your post and all these comments lead to: why, for god's sake, doesn't the Poetry Foundation put up the whole of Poetry Magazine up online? It's the only thing that makes sense. It's NOT a question of print vs. online, as the print magazine can CONTINUE as it is. Those people who can afford to subscribe to it or who can access it in libraries will continue to do so; a whole new group of readers will discover it online and then go on to subscribe to the print version after having read and enjoyed a few issues; a third group of people will only read it online, but will tell more people about it. The global (as you say) readership for this already well-known magazine would increase EXPONENTIALLY if all of it were to go online. I'm willing to bet that Harriet already has more readers than Poetry Magazine will ever have if it's going to be stuck in print.
    There really is no excuse, I'm predicting that if all of Poetry goes online then subscriptions to the print magazine will, in the long run, increase (see below). If, by some unlikely chance, the subscriptions were to fall, then one would begin to save on printing costs! What exactly is PF afraid of? That the prestige of Poetry Magazine would be compromised if all of it were to go online? Please.
    It's the third option that's playing out, people. Print AND online versions. The place where I work in Delhi puts out a publication called the Sarai Reader (see ) which is available both as free pdfs online (click on "more" for any reader) and a stylish print volume, distributed in the US by Autonomedia. What we find is that, in parts of the erstwhile "third world" people tend to read and download the book online, but especially in parts of Europe and the Americas, people check out the book online and then order the print version-- because they prefer to read it that way and can afford to do so. So, on a global level, putting everything up online has meant increase sales of the Sarai Reader, not otherwise.
    Im slightly embarassed to do so, but at this point I must plug for an online magazine of international literature (though based in India), just in its first issue, Almost Island, that I help to edit: . The first issue is all prose (although this includes prose poetry) but from the second issue onwards, we will be carrying verse, including translations of Indian poets. To join the newsletter and hear about updates and new issues, write to .
    Well... I'm afraid I wont be able to enjoy the brand new issue of Poetry magazine. But, even better, I can have my daily dose of Harriet!

  17. November 2, 2007
     Don Share

    Text... book and/or electrons... is the medium the message anymore or not??

  18. November 2, 2007
     Robert Schwab

    This is an important discussion, but one important point has been left out of it.
    Are poets published in online journals being paid for their work?
    And are they being paid more than in copies of the journal? Which, because it's online, is even less valuable than a printed copy of a journal where work is published.
    My biggest beef with poetry right now, and I think it goes to the quality issue (gatekeepered or not), is that poets essentially must turn their work out for free.
    I think poetry is a wonder, just like all the rest of us, but it is also writers' work, and poets ought to be compensated for their work, and for the pleasure, beauty and inspiration they bring to their readers.

  19. November 2, 2007
     Charles Jensen

    I started an online poetry journal last year. I choose an editor in a specific city or region and then have them select five poems by seven poets who live there; the editor also writes an essay on that place's community and submits a list of poetry- and community-related links as a resource guide.
    It's called LOCUSPOINT and it's at

  20. November 2, 2007
     Simon DeDeo

    Robert -- given the current poetry structure, it's nearly impossible for even the most prolific to make a significant part of their income from publication of actual poems (book reviews are different.) I don't know of any magazine (other than Poetry -- well done!) that pays enough for a poem to compensate for the author's time at anything approaching minimum, let alone livable, wage.
    These days it would probably make more sense for poets to pay for publication as we do in the sciences, given that most use the system to support their academic careers -- I know I have to pay (out of grants, natch) $500 after acceptance to get my work printed in Physical Review Letters. Although that's waived in case of hardship.
    If you think paying for publication is crazy, it's the case that most "younger" poets trying to break in with a first book spend close to $1k of their own money submitting work to "contests" that demand an entry fee. I have my little rant about this, but the guy with the shepherd's crook is about to pull me off stage...

  21. November 2, 2007
     bill knott

    speaking of mediocre verse flooding the web, all my poems are posted on my blog for free access and download . . .

  22. November 2, 2007
     Don Share

    Actually, Vivek, and everyone assembled, we are indeed planning to make the whole of Poetry magazine online. Right now, we're addressing the logistics - nobody here needs convincing, I assure you!
    It's good to know, meanwhile, that there's enthusiasm for seeing more of the magazine online - and you'll see some very big changes in our webspace by about the first of the coming year, so stay tuned!

  23. November 2, 2007

    I'm managing editor of a newish online literary magazine, qarrtsiluni. I want to second Alicia's point:

    I think on-line journals have occasionally suffered, too, from trying to reproduce print journals and not taking advantage of the different conditions afforded by the internet. Why still come out once a quarter, for instance, instead of putting up new poems as they are accepted? In that sense Poetry Daily and Verse Daily are using the internet more creatively and effectively.

    It does baffle me that most online magazines still release their material in massive dumps, and don't have RSS and subscribe-by-email options (even Poetry Daily fails in this last regard). Also, I think more literary magazines should consider taking advantage of the increased opportunities for interactions among contributors and between contributors and readers. Finally, I think The Cortland Review sets a great example for the rest of us by emphasizing one thing that print media can't do at all: audio recordings. If we really want to increase the online audience for poetry, I think text will have to be supplemented with more audio, and maybe even video (though personally I'd rather listen than watch). In this way, poetry online has a real opportunity to return to its roots as an oral artform.

  24. November 3, 2007
     Jilly Dybka

    no tell motel publishes 52 poets per year x 5 poems by each poet
    tiny words publishes 1 haiku daily

  25. November 3, 2007
     Vivek Narayanan

    Don: HOOORAY!!!

  26. November 3, 2007
     Simon DeDeo

    Dave --
    Your enthusiasm for this sort of thing is matched by our architect Irwin; I actually have been conservative in the past and semi-vetoed RSS for absent. But I've come right around and our bells and whistles should be pretty X-treme in issue three.
    As for multimedia, an excellent place is Nicholas Manning's Continental Review. You can also "subscribe" to their channel to get updates over e-mail or RSS.

  27. November 3, 2007

    Well, there is an argument to be made against RSS if you're concerned about copyright violation: in a nutshell, RSS "scrapers" make it easy for spam blogs to find and reproduce snippets of text containing certain keywords, all to try and game Google and other search engines and get eyeballs on their ads. A lot of bloggers get pretty exercised about this, though I personally don't see it as a problem - it's not like someone else is claiming your work as their own. But I imagine it was considerations like this that led Poetry Daily to introduce an RSS feed for their news column, but not for the main content.

  28. November 3, 2007
     bill knott

    a couple years ago i discovered there were 3 or 4 plagiarist sites each with about 50 of my poems posted, without my permission or input . . . this was so irritating and irremediable that i started my own blog in order to plagiarize myself . . . my copyright's defunct if any online venue can reprint my work without my sayso . . . if writers have no control over the reproduction of their work, what then . . .
    there's also the question of worth, the paradox of value: if my books can be downloaded free from my
    blog (and they can), if all the poems I've written over the past four and a half decades can be read on the screen at my blog (and they can), if i present my work there for open perusal and propagation, doesn't that diminish it? nothing is got for nothing, to quote Stevens . . . if one wants to read Jennifer Moxley's poems, one has to pay money for her printbooks. . . . ergo? as for online poetry and the flood of blogbards doesn't Gresham's Law promise my bad will drive out your good . . .

  29. November 4, 2007

    Hi - I am just responding to a comment above that mentions that the internet will never replace books. I believe this statement is not true. The internet has already started replacing books. The surge of new writers of poetry is due to the internet. More readers of poetry are learning about these writers because of the internet. And perhaps the internet will not replace books in the lifetime of the person who wrote such nonsense above but I do hope that I see the internet replace many books and trees before I die. I hope to see more and more people take advantage of IPODS and SONY READERS and downloading their poetry and novels to these as they become more accessible and easier to use with a wider range of books to download to. Also we need to take a look at the opposite side of the coin because of the internet more books are being printed. Hence PRINT ON DEMAND. Which facilitates the need to have printed what is wanted and presses do not have to have books sitting on shelves that will never be purchased.
    Anyway- I could go on and on but I will not. I have an online magazine that is waiting for me and kids upstairs still sleeping this Sunday morning. Off to make myself some Bustelo.
    Didi Menendez
    MiPOesias Magazine

  30. November 4, 2007
     Crafty Green Poet

    I think its great to see lots of online journals, though would be sad to see the total demise of paper journals. I edit an online journal in blog format:
    I'll come back later and follow the links you already have to other online journals.

  31. November 4, 2007
     Don Share

    I'd be sorry to see books getting replaced by electrons, because as physical artifacts they tend to stick around against the odds. Most copies of Pound's Active Anthology were destroyed in wartime bombing - yet you can still find one online in a matter of minutes. Which illustrates how both the internet and books can, and will, continue to coexist. The examples of Stevens' Harmonium, just about all of Niedecker's books, and Bunting's - just to name some poets discussed here in the recent past - were not "needed" until decades after they were printed; if the internet facilitates their being read now, the fact is that those long-unwanted books survived into the electronic age, We need, in other words, to print more than just what is wanted. Use of electricity is arguablly just as ungreen as cutting down trees, too! Seriously, from Gutenberg on, books have survived not just as texts, but as real objects taking their place somehow and miraculously in the world. I hope that continues as long as writing does.

  32. November 4, 2007
     Mike Young

    Here are some more online poetry journals--new, old, small, big, and elsewise--not listed in the PF links page:
    NOÖ Journal

  33. November 4, 2007
     Halvard Johnson

    Here are a couple you might want to add: Hamilton Stone Review (I edit the poetry for this one, which is just about to put online its 13th issue; it does three a year). You can find it at
    Another is Salt River Review, the editor of which is James Cervantes. It's found at,
    Thanks for asking.
    Halvard Johnson

  34. November 5, 2007
     Robert Schwab

    also The Wazee Journal, out of Denver, at

  35. November 14, 2007
     Simmons Buntin

    Another to add to the list: A Journal of the Built & Natural Environments, which publishes two theme-based issues per year and receives somewhere over 100,000 visits per issue.
    We're celebrating 10 years online with a reading in New York City on January 31 at Cornelia Street Cafe.  If you're in town (and I guess half the writing world will be, what with AWP), consider joining us!

  36. November 16, 2007
     Alicia (A.E.)

    An article from Slate on the death of e-mail...

  37. December 14, 2007
     Leland Jamieson

    If it hasn't been mentioned already, maintains a continuously updated directory of online journals and 'zines you may wish to utilize. It is more convenient than most because it has a screening and sorting utility that makes the search efficient with your time.