Maxine W. Kumin
An enduring presence in American poetry, Maxine Kumin’s career spanned over half a century. She was the recipient of prestigious awards such as the Pulitzer Prize, the Ruth Lilly Poetry Prize, and an American Academy and Institute of Arts and Letters Award. She was the poetry consultant for the Library of Congress in 1981-1982, and taught at many of the country’s most prestigious universities, including MIT, Princeton, and Columbia. Despite traveling away from home to lecture at schools and universities around the United States, Kumin retained close ties with her farmhouse in rural New Hampshire; in an interview with Joan Norris published in Crazy Horse, the poet disclosed, “Practically all of [my poems] have come out of this geography and this state of mind.”
Because her verse is deeply connected to her native New England, Kumin is often referred to as a regional pastoral poet. “I have been twitted with the epithet ‘Roberta Frost,’ which is not a bad thing to be,” Kumin told interviewer Karla Hammond in the Western Humanities Review. In other efforts to classify her work, critics have also described her as a transcendentalist, like Henry David Thoreau, or a confessional poet, like Kumin’s friend and coauthor, the late Anne Sexton. She has also been likened to Elizabeth Bishop because of her commitment to meticulous observation. In many ways, though, Kumin is unlike other poets. Her insistence on order is notable. Critic Rachel Hadas described Kumin’s predominant tone as “steady, grounded, almost stoical in comparison; the language less likely to transcend its occasion and engage in lyric flights. Kumin’s early work is more concerned with formal structures than her later work, but always her language is subordinated to observation and thought.” Philip Booth maintained in the American Poetry Review that “what is remarkable...is the extent to which poets like Maxine Kumin can survive and outdistance both their peers and themselves by increasingly trusting those elements of their work which are most strongly individual.” For Kumin, Booth noted, these elements include “the dailiness of farm life and farm death.”
Her “well-made poems and stories are two ways of coming at the same immemorial preoccupations: aging and mortality,” wrote Clara Claiborne Park in the Nation, and deemed Kumin’s work “the fiction and poetry of maturity.” Her poems are also mature for another reason: Kumin did not begin to write and publish until mid-life, when she found encouragement in workshops at the Boston Center for Adult Education. Her early poems display her mastery of technique and deal with themes that she has continued to explore throughout her career: identity, the ephemeral nature of life, loss, and man’s relationship to nature. Many of these early works were collected in Kumin’s first book of poems, Halfway (1961), published when she was 36. While attending the Boston workshops, Kumin met and befriended the poet Anne Sexton. Both homemakers with children when they began their literary careers, they wrote four children’s books together and in general contributed to each other’s development. The two poets communicated on a nearly daily basis, conducting private workshops by letter and phone. Consequently, critics tried to trace a strong mutual influence, but both poets denied one. Nonetheless, there were some significant exchanges, and the two poets suggested titles for each other’s work on at least two occasions.
Yet, despite her connection to Sexton, Kumin’s work shows little relation to the confessional school. Rather, observed Monroe K. Spears in the Washington Post Book World, “much of her poetry throughout is openly autobiographical, and the reader becomes acquainted with her family...,her Frostian New Hampshire neighbor Henry Manley...and so on.” The “loss of the parent” and the “relinquishment of the child” are two central themes Kumin identified in a lecture on her work given at Princeton in 1977 and reprinted in To Make a Prairie: Essays on Poets, Poetry, and Country Living (1980). Booth explained the presence of these themes in Kumin’s The Retrieval System (1978), by noting that the poet “is familiar (in every sense) with how one’s parents depart toward death at nearly the same time one’s children leave to find lives of their own. Inevitable as such desertions may be, their coincidence...is the shock which these seismographic poems record and try to recover from.” Booth believed Kumin’s poems “amply show that suffering doesn’t require confession to validate pain,” and that her “mode is memorial rather than confessional.”
However, Kumin is most often compared to Robert Frost. The work of both poets shows a close attention to the details of New England rural life. Booth commented: “The distinctive nature of Maxine Kumin’s present poems derives from the primary fact that she lives in, and writes from, a world where constant (if partial) recovery of what’s ‘lost’ is as sure as the procession of the equinoxes, or as familiar as mucking-out the horses’ daily dung.” Kumin’s preference for traditional verse forms has also caused critics to liken her to Frost. Not only is there an order “to be discovered...in the natural world,” she told Martha George Meek in a Massachusetts Review interview, “there is also an order that a human can impose on the chaos of his emotions and the chaos of events.” Kumin achieves this order by structuring and controlling her most emotional subjects, fitting them to exacting patterns of syllable count and rhyme. As she told Hammond, “The harder—that is, the more psychically difficult—the poem is to write, the more likely I am to choose a difficult pattern to pound it into. This is true because, paradoxically, the difficulty frees me to be more honest and more direct.”
Kumin was also a noted writer of fiction, and admitted to a certain overlap between the two genres. “I tend to steal from myself,” she said in an interview published in To Make a Prairie. “The compass of the poem is so small and so demanding, you have to be so selective, and there are so many things that get left out that you feel cheated. So you take all those things...and they get into fiction.” Tribune Books contributor Catherine Petroski commented, “Kumin’s practice of poetry buttresses her practice of short fiction: The turns of phrase and points of view come from a poet, not a recorder of events. Similarly, the concerns of fiction—the chains of cause and effect, the explorations of character, the sense of scene—have much to do with the power of Kumin’s best poems.”
Kumin’s later work received praise for its emotional attentiveness and elegiac nature. Reviewing Nurture (1989), in the New York Times Book Review, Carol Muske remarked, “These poems are exhaustive in their sorrow: they are predominantly short, brutal elegies for the natural world.” In later books, such as The Long Approach (1986), Nurture, Looking for Luck (1992), and Connecting the Dots: Poems (1996), Kumin continues to focus on the daily rituals of farm-life, as well as turning her attention to social and environmental problems such as pollution, religious persecution, nuclear holocaust, and famine. Aimed resolutely outward, Kumin’s protest poetry has not received unanimous praise. In general, Kumin has been praised as a poet of the personal and every-day, not a prophetic seer. Diane Wakoski, writing in the Women’s Review of Books, criticized the socially-aware poems in Nurture as “bitter, overstated, trivial,” but praised the more personal poems in the collection, noting that in these pieces “the goddess voice and stance returns.” However, in Connecting the Dots: Poems, the poet returns to well-known territory and “reexamines the familiar materials of her previous books with her far-ranging eye and technical skill,” according to Fay Weldon, who reviewed the volume in the Boston Book Review.
In 1997, Kumin published Selected Poems, 1960-1990. Covering the first nine books of Kumin’s career, the volume was praised by Judy Clarence in Library Journal for allowing the reader the opportunity to “move slowly, meanderingly, deliciously through the stages of Kumin’s poetic life.” Noting that the poet’s “unsentimental affinity for animals has been her divining rod for locating and observing the natural world’s seemingly inexhaustible beauty and mankind’s terrifying willingness to destroy it,” a Publishers Weekly reviewer praised the collection for illustrating this through Kumin’s “plain style,” “surprising imagery...and recurring reflections.” Kumin followed Selected Poems with The Long Marriage (2002), which celebrates her five-decade marriage to her husband, their life together in New Hampshire, and nature. The book was a finalist for the Lenore Marshall Award of the Academy of American Poets. The New York Times Book Review contributor Megan Harland called Kumin’s observations “earthy” and “practical,” and she declared that “Kumin’s tonal clarity is transformative.”
When Kumin was 73 she suffered an accident while preparing a horse for competition and broke her neck, receiving serious internal injuries. She was able to make a successful recovery, however, and her book Inside the Halo and Beyond: The Anatomy of a Recovery (1999) describes her convalescence. Anne Roiphe, writing for the New York Times Book Review, described Kumin’s language as “precise and spare.” Roiphe noted that although Kumin is a poet, this book “is rarely poetic in the usual sense of heightened metaphor or compacted image.” Roiphe likened the work “to a dignified prayer of thanks” that resonates with “wisdom while announcing a triumph of body and soul.” The same year that Inside the Halo and Beyond was released, Kumin also published Always Beginning: Essays on a Life in Poetry, a collection of essays and poems describing Kumin’s daily life as a poet. She includes interviews, diary entries, and keynote addresses, as well as poetry.
Kumin’s last poetry collections were Jack and Other New Poems (2005), Still to Mow (2007), and Where I Live: New and Selected Poems (2011). Of Jack and Other New Poems, Elaine Sexton in Prairie Schooner noted that it “serves up...a bracing mix of persona poems, elegies, and lyric narratives, the stuff of biting paradox and stark self-appraisal.” The book features a collection of simply worded poems, each written in the voice of a different type of person, from a hospice worker to someone looking back on history. Booklist contributor Donna Seaman found the work to be a group of “well-turned, neatly well balanced poems” and a “radiant testimony to life attentively witnessed and cherished.” Still to Mow likewise received praise, though its subject matter returned to some of the more overtly political statements of Kumin’s mid-'90s work. In the journal Rattle, Mike Maggio noted that while Kumin “has written poems that speak to the issues of our day, in this case the Iraq War and the travesties…that have followed in its wake,” the collection is not “a purely political collection: there are poems about nature, about her dog, Virgil, poems that hark back to her growing up during the depression or that deal with old age and death. All of which are written with the utmost economy, with a lyricism that belies some of the subject matter that Kumin delves into.” Her final collection, Where I Live: New and Selected Poems, was the winner of the 2011 Los Angeles Times Book Award.
Reviewing Kumin’s multidecade career, Booth commented that the poet “has simply gotten better and better at what she has always been good at: a resonant language, an autobiographical immediacy, unsystematized intelligence, and radical compassion. One does not learn compassion without having suffered.” Wakoski wrote in Contemporary Women Poets: “The one thing that is clear throughout [Kumin’s] substantial body of work is that she believes survival is possible, if only through the proper use of the imagination to retrieve those things which are loved well enough.” Kumin herself has said, in an interview with the Christian Science Monitor, “writing is my salvation. If I didn’t write, what would I do?”
Poet, children's author, and fiction writer. Tufts University, Medford, MA, instructor, 1958-61, lecturer in English, 1965- 68; Radcliffe College, Cambridge, MA, scholar of Radcliffe Institute for Independent Study (now called The Bunting Institute), 1961-63. University of Massachusetts—Amherst, visiting lecturer in English, 1973; Columbia University, New York, NY, adjunct professor of writing, 1975; Brandeis University, Waltham, MA, Fannie Hurst Professor of Literature, 1975; Princeton University, Princeton, NJ, visiting senior fellow and lecturer, 1977; Washington University, St. Louis, MO, Fannie Hurst Professor of Literature, 1977; Randolph-Macon Woman's College, Lynchburg, VA, Carolyn Wilkerson Bell Visiting Scholar, 1978; Woodrow Wilson Visiting Fellow, 1979; Princeton University, visiting lecturer, 1979, 1981-82; Bucknell University, Lewisburg, PA, poet-in-residence, 1983; Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Cambridge, MA, visiting professor, 1984; Atlantic Center for the Arts, New Smyrna Beach, FL, master artist, 1984; University of Miami, Miami, FL, visiting professor, 1995; Pitzer College, Claremont, CA, visiting professor, 1996; Davidson College, Davidson, NC, McGee Professor of Writing, 1997; Florida International University, Miami, visiting professor, 1998-99. Member of staff, Bread Loaf Writers' Conference, 1969-71, 1973, 1975, 1977, and Sewanee Writers' Conference, 1993-94. Traveled with the United States Information Agency's Arts America Tour, 1983. Poetry consultant to Library of Congress, 1981-82. Elector, The Poet's Corner, Cathedral of St. John the Divine, 1990—; Chancellor, Academy of American Poets, 1995—.
- Halfway, Holt (New York, NY), 1961.
- The Privilege, Harper (New York, NY), 1965.
- The Nightmare Factory, Harper (New York, NY), 1970.
- Up Country: Poems of New England, New and Selected, illustrated by Barbara Swan, Harper (New York, NY), 1972.
- House, Bridge, Fountain, Gate, Viking (New York, NY), 1975.
- Progress Report (sound recording), Watershed, 1976.
- The Retrieval System, Viking (New York, NY), 1978.
- Our Ground Time Here Will Be Brief: New and Selected Poems, Viking (New York, NY), 1982.
- Closing the Ring: Selected Poems, Press of Appletree Alley, Bucknell University (Lewisburg, PA), 1984.
- The Long Approach, Viking (New York, NY), 1985.
- Nurture, Viking Penguin (New York, NY), 1989.
- Looking for Luck, W.W. Norton (New York, NY), 1992.
- Connecting the Dots: Poems, W.W. Norton (New York, NY), 1996.
- Selected Poems, 1960-1990, W.W. Norton (New York, NY), 1997.
- The Long Marriage, W.W. Norton (New York, NY), 2001.
- Bringing Together: Uncollected Early Poems, 1958-1988, W.W. Norton (New York, NY), 2003.
- Jack and Other New Poems, W.W. Norton (New York, NY), 2005.
- Still to Mow, W.W. Norton (New York, NY), 2007.
- Where I Live: New and Selected Poems, W.W. Norton (New York, NY), 2011.
- Through Dooms of Love (novel), Harper (New York, NY), 1965, published as A Daughter and Her Loves, Gollancz (London, England), 1965.
- The Passions of Uxport (novel), Harper (New York, NY), 1968.
- The Abduction (novel), Harper (New York, NY), 1971.
- The Designated Heir (novel), Viking (New York, NY), 1974.
- Why Can't We Live Together Like Civilized Human Beings? (short stories), Viking (New York, NY), 1982.
- Quit Monks or Die! (mystery novel), Story Line (Ashland, OR), 1999.
- Sebastian and the Dragon, Putnam (New York, NY), 1960.
- Spring Things, Putnam (New York, NY), 1961.
- A Summer Story, Putnam (New York, NY), 1961.
- Follow the Fall, Putnam (New York, NY), 1961.
- A Winter Friend, Putnam (New York, NY), 1961.
- Mittens in May, Putnam (New York, NY), 1962.
- No One Writes a Letter to the Snail, Putnam (New York, NY), 1962.
- (With Anne Sexton) Eggs of Things, Putnam (New York, NY), 1963.
- Archibald the Traveling Poodle, Putnam (New York, NY), 1963.
- (With Anne Sexton) More Eggs of Things, Putnam (New York, NY), 1964.
- Speedy Digs Downside Up, Putnam (New York, NY), 1964.
- The Beach before Breakfast, Putnam (New York, NY), 1964.
- Paul Bunyan, Putnam (New York, NY), 1966.
- Faraway Farm, W.W. Norton (New York, NY), 1967.
- The Wonderful Babies of 1809 and Other Years, Putnam (New York, NY), 1968.
- When Grandmother Was Young, Putnam (New York, NY), 1969.
- When Mother Was Young, Putnam (New York, NY), 1970.
- When Great-Grandmother Was Young, illustrated by Don Almquist, Putnam (New York, NY), 1971.
- (With Anne Sexton) Joey and the Birthday Present, illustrated by Evaline Ness, McGraw-Hill (New York, NY), 1971.
- (With Anne Sexton) The Wizard's Tears, McGraw-Hill (New York, NY), 1975.
- What Color Is Caesar?, illustrated by Evaline Ness, McGraw-Hill (New York, NY), 1978.
- The Microscope, illustrated by Arnold Lobel, Harper (New York, NY), 1984.
- Mites to Mastodons: A Book of Animal Poems, Small and Large, illustrated by Pamela Zagarenski, edited by Liz Rosenberg, Houghton Mifflin (Boston, MA), 2006.
- (Author of introduction) Carole Oles, The Loneliness Factor, Texas Tech University Press (Lubbock, TX), 1979.
- To Make a Prairie: Essays on Poets, Poetry, and Country Living, University of Michigan Press (Ann Arbor, MI), 1980.
- (Editor) William Carpenter, Rain, Northeastern University Press (Boston, MA), 1985.
- In Deep: Country Essays, Viking (New York, NY), 1987.
- Women, Animals, and Vegetables: Essays and Stories, W.W. Norton (New York, NY), 1994.
- Diane Ackerman and Maxine Kumin Reading from Their Work (sound recording), Archive of Recorded Poetry and Literature, Library of Congress (Washington, DC), 1994.
- Always Beginning: Essays on a Life in Poetry, Copper Canyon (Port Townsend, WA), 2000.
- Inside the Halo and Beyond: The Anatomy of a Recovery, W.W. Norton (New York, NY), 2000.
- (Editor, with Deborah Brown and Annie Finch) Lofty Dogmas: Poets on Poetics, University of Arkansas Press (Fayetteville, AR), 2005.
Former columnist, Writer. Contributor of poetry to New Yorker, Atlantic, Poetry, Saturday Review, and other periodicals. Kumin's manuscripts are held at the Bienecke Library, Yale University.
- Authors in the News, Volume 2, Thomson Gale (Detroit, MI), 1976.
- Contemporary Literary Criticism, Thomson Gale (Detroit, MI), Volume 5, 1976, Volume 13, 1980, Volume 28, 1984.
- Contemporary Women Poets, St. James Press (Detroit, MI), 1997.
- Dictionary of Literary Biography, Volume 5: American Poets since World War II, Thomson Gale (Detroit, MI), 1980.
- Grosholz, Emily, Telling the Barn Swallow: Poets on the Poetry of Maxine Kumin, University Press of New England (Boston, MA), 1997.
- Kumin, Maxine, Halfway, Holt (New York, NY), 1961.
- Kumin, Maxine, To Make a Prairie: Essays on Poets, Poetry, and Country Living, University of Michigan Press (Ann Arbor, MI), 1980.
- McClatchy, J.D., editor, Anne Sexton: The Artist and Her Critics, Indiana University Press (Bloomington, IN), 1978.
- Sexton, Anne, Linda Gray, and Lois Ames, editors, Anne Sexton: A Self-Portrait in Letters, Houghton Mifflin (New York, NY), 1977.
- America, February 28, 1976.
- American Poetry Review, March, 1976; November, 1978.
- Atlantic, October, 1971.
- Belles Lettres, fall, 1992, p. 51.
- Booklist, August, 1999, Donna Seaman and Emily Melton, review of Quit Monks or Die!, p. 2035; May 1, 2000, Donna Seaman, review of Inside the Halo and Beyond: The Anatomy of a Recovery and Always Beginning: Essays on a Life in Poetry, p. 1639; November 15, 2001, Donna Seaman, review of The Long Marriage, p. 542; January 1, 2005, Donna Seaman, review of Jack and Other New Poems, p. 804.
- Boston Book Review, July 1, 1996, Fay Weldon, review of Connecting the Dots: Poems.
- Boston Herald, April 30, 2000, Elizabeth Hand, "Pain Purged on Journey; Kumin Heals from Horse Accident," p. O62; May 18, 2000, Stephanie Schorow, "Inside the Halo Justice," p. O59.
- Choice, January, 1966.
- Christian Science Monitor, August 9, 1961; February 28, 1973.
- Country Journal, spring, 1979, article by Maxine Kumin.
- Crazy Horse, summer, 1975, Joan Norris, interview with Maxine Kumin.
- Hudson Review, summer, 2001, R. S. Gwynn, review of Always Beginning, p. 341.
- Kirkus Reviews, May 1, 1994, p. 609; July, 1999, Margaret A. Smith, review of Quit Monks or Die!, p. 142; August 1, 1999, review of Quit Monks or Die!, p. 1176.
- Library Journal, June 15, 1997, Judy Clarence, review of Selected Poems, 1960-1990, p. 74; July, 1999, review of Quit Monks or Die!, p. 142; June 1, 2000, Doris Lynch, review of Always Beginning, p. 124; September 1, 2001, Judy Clarence, review of The Long Marriage, p. 184; May 15, 2003, Diane Scharper, review of Bringing Together: Uncollected Early Poems, 1958-88, p. 93.
- Los Angeles Times Book Review, June 13, 1982; December 1, 1985; June 26, 1988, p. 14; November 6, 1994, p. 13.
- Massachusetts Review, spring, 1975, Martha George Meek.
- Nation, July 24, 1982, Clara Claiborne Park, review of Why Can't We Live Together Like Civilized Human Beings?, p. 89.
- New Leader, January 22, 1973.
- New Letters, summer, 2000, Jeffrey S. Cramer, "Peaceable Island," p. 61.
- New Republic, August 10, 1974.
- New Yorker, December 4, 1971.
- New York Times, June 26, 1974, review by Michiko Kakutani.
- New York Times Book Review, March 28, 1965; May 5, 1968; November 19, 1972; June 23, 1974; September 7, 1975; April 23, 1978; August 8, 1982, Alicia Ostriker, review of Our Ground Time Here Will Be Brief: New and Selected Poems, p. 10; March 2, 1986, Harold Beaver, review of The Long Approach, p. 14; August 30, 1987, Adrienne S. Barnes, review of In Deep: Country Essays, p. 21; November 5, 1989, Carol Muske, review of Nurture, p. 32; March 21, 1993, Lisa Zeider, review of Looking for Luck, p. 14; August 28, 1994, Anne Raver, review of Women, Animals, and Vegetables: Essays and Stories, p. 12; August 3, 1997, Richard Tillinghast, review of Selected Poems, 1960-1990, p. 10; September 26, 1999, Laura Jamison, review of Quit Monks or Die!, p. 15; July 30, 2000, Anne Roiphe, review of Inside the Halo and Beyond, p. 15; September 3, 2000, Sunil Iyengar, review of Always Beginning, p. 15; December 9, 2001, Megan Harlan, review of The Long Marriage, p. 33.
- Parnassus, spring-summer, 1973; spring, 1985, Brad Crenshaw, review of Our Ground Time Here Will Be Brief.
- Poetry, January, 1979; April, 1990, p. 48; November, 1992; June, 1999, p. 181.
- Prairie Schooner, spring, 1976; fall, 2005, Elaine Sexton, review of Jack and Other New Poems, p. 175.
- Publishers Weekly, May 30, 1994, review of Women, Animals, and Vegetables, p. 41; June 3, 1996, review of Connecting the Dots, p. 73; January 6, 1997, "Telling the Barnswallow: Poets on the Poetry of Maxine Kumin," p. 58; April 28, 1997, review of Selected Poems, 1960-1990, p. 70; August 23, 1999, review of Quit Monks or Die!, p. 50; May 15, 2000, review of Inside the Halo and Beyond, p. 100; August 14, 2000, review of Always Beginning, p. 349; August 27, 2001, review of The Long Marriage, p. 75.
- Saturday Review, May 6, 1961; December 25, 1965; May 9, 1970; March 25, 1972.
- Sewanee Review, spring, 1974; winter, 1995, p. 141.
- Shenandoah, spring, 1976.
- Smithsonian, November, 1987.
- Times Literary Supplement, May 9, 1975.
- Tribune Books August 29, 1982; February 2, 1986; July 9, 1989, p. 6.
- Village Voice, September 5, 1974; July 20, 1982.
- Virginia Quarterly Review, spring, 1971.
- Washington Post, May 6, 1980.
- Washington Post Book World, May 5, 1968; October 10, 1971; June 22, 1982; February 2, 1986; November 22, 1992, p. 8.
- Western Humanities Review, spring, 1979, Karla Hammond, interview with Maxine Kumin.
- Women's Review of Books, October, 1989, Diane Wakowski, review of Nurture, p. 20; April, 2001, Judith Barrington, review of Always Beginning and Inside the Halo and Beyond, p. 6.
- Yale Review, autumn, 1968.
- Atlantic Unbound, http://www.theatlantic.com/ (February 2, 2002), Erin Rogers, "The Art of Living."
Poems By MAXINE W. KUMIN
- "Primitivism" Exhibit
- A Calling
- After Love
- Almost Spring, Driving Home, Reciting Hopkins
- Cross-Country Skiing
More poems by Maxine W. Kumin (43 poems)
- Family Reunion
- Finding the One Brief Note
- Getting There
- Heaven as Anus
- How It Is
- In a Different Country
- In April, in Princeton
- Last Days
- Marianne, My Mother, and Me
- My Quotable Friend
- Night Launch
- On Reading an Old Baedeker in Schloss Leopoldskron
- One Dead Friend
- Requiem on I-89
- Running Away Together
- Song ("Everything imitates...")
- Song for Seven Parts of the Body
- Sonnets Uncorseted
- Sundays in March
- The Archaeology of a Marriage
- The Eternal Lover
- The Excrement Poem
- The Festung, Salzburg
- The Geographic Center
- The Knot
- The Masochist
- The Poets' Garden
- The Selling of the Slaves
- The Spell
- Whereof the Gift Is Small
- Which One
- With the Caribou
- Youth Orchestra, with Dogs
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